A trilogy of new bus routes

Thursday 11th September 2925

Catching up on last week’s developments with a look at three more new bus routes which began on 31st August/1st September….

First up is a new link between Leigh-on-Sea and Southend Airport and its adjacent Business Park funded by Southend City Council.

Stephensons are operating the two year contract with an option to extend for a third year using three brand new ADL Enviro200 buses bought for the service and adorned in a bespoke livery promoting the route.

Buses run half hourly until just south of the Airport/Business Park where the route splits to either one or the other destination, both served hourly.

Journeys to and from the Airport are numbered 23A and those to the Business Park 23B. Buses interwork between the two on at the southern terminus outside Leigh-on-Sea railway station.

The timetable looked a bit tight on first glance with no layover time shown at either the Airport or Business Park although there is nine minutes at Leigh-on-Sea but taking a ride last week soon scotched that thought as, particularly in the off-peak, the allocated times between stops are quite generous. Despite a number of temporary traffic lights on the route we paused a few times to maintain the schedule in both directions.

Departures from the Business Park include 11 minutes layover although this is not clear from the timetable and this shifts location on the loop before or after 12:33.

Route 23A to the Airport

The route through Leigh, Belfairs and Eastwood provides new direct links not previously available as well as a new link to the airport and Business Park.

Route 23B from the Business Park with a diversion near Eastwood due to roadworks

However to serve the Airport effectively the span of the operating day needs to be longer and I doubt just five daytime journeys (every 90 minutes) on a Sunday will be of much use.

But, that aside, it’s good to see Bus Service Improvement Plan funding being used for this initiative – it’s Southend-on-Sea City Council’s first tendered bus route for about 20 years I’m told – and it was encouraging to see half a dozen to ten passengers travelling on the journeys I made and others I observed bearing in mind it was only on day four when I travelled.

Posters on display at Leigh-on-Sea railway station promoted the new route and a leaflet with map and timetable was available..,

… on board buses.

Timetables had been posted at bus stop’s along the route although…

… I spotted one without a display in the Business Park; apparently the Council gave Stephensons the wrong size so initially the displays wouldn’t fit, but that’s now been rectified.

Next up is a quick review of uno’s new cross Potters Bar links which as explained in a recent blog involve an extension of routes 242 (from Waltham Cross) and 84B (from Barnet and now renumbered 243) from their erstwhile Potters Bar terminus continuing half hourly north to Hatfield in place of the curtailed hourly 610.

Uno has been running double decks on the 242 for a while but it’s now also upgraded the new 243 to a double deck operation albeit I think it’ll be a long time before numbers travelling justify that capacity.

I had a look at both routes on Monday aiming to catch the 242 scheduled to leave Waltham Cross at 10:35 by boarding in Cuffley at 11:10 and travel over to Hatfield.

It turned out to be a long, uncomfortable and frustrating wait. Facilities at the bus shelter outside the railway station are limited for what turned out to be over an hour’s wait with a paucity of information.

The real time sign was unhelpfully blank.

The printed departure information in the bus shelter hadn’t been updated since 2021 and 2022 telling passengers erroneously the limited service on the 242 is run by Metroline and Arriva.

I rang the uno customer service contact number only to be put on hold despite my call “is important to us; our staff know you are waiting; thank you for your patience”. My patience ran out after 15 minutes when I hung up.

The uno tracking web page wasn’t showing any buses on the 242 east of Cuffley. Nor was Bus Times.

The driver of a Waltham Cross bound bus arriving on time at 11:50 told me he’d no idea where the 11:10 bus was and his bus wasn’t tracking either.

I nearly gave up but luckily saw the bus eventually appeared on the Bus Times website showing its late progress towards me, finally arriving at 11:56, running 46 minutes late on an hourly service.

I asked the driver if he’d broken down, to which he replied ‘no just problems with traffic in Waltham Cross and roadworks’. They must have been quite some roadworks to cause so much disruption.

The interesting thing was three passengers on the upper deck stayed on the bus at Potters Bar and looked like they were students at the University, so they’ve benefitted from the newly extended route already. We picked up one more passenger boarding on the outskirts of Cuffley who was just travelling the short distance to Northaw but didn’t look overly perturbed at having to wait so long for the bus.

The other three passengers on the lower deck all alighted at Potters Bar station as would have been the case when the route terminated there. A couple more boarded including one travelling to Brookmans Park, where another boarded, looking somewhat weary with the wait although she had the benefit of what is now a half hourly frequency from there (with the 243).

I continued on as far as Welham Green, changing my plans because of the lateness and picked up a southbound 243 there rather than in Hatfield, as originally planned. Three passengers got off that bus at the next stop leaving just me and two route learning drivers on the bus to Potters Bar with two boarding at the station travelling on towards Barnet. I left the bus in Potters Bar.

The routes taken by the 242 and 243 in Potters Bar take some getting used to with buses on the former towards Hatfield routed in from Northaw, passing the Metroline bus garage then Tesco, then the Station and then on towards Little Heath and to Brookmans Park. Whereas the 243 comes in from Barnet, goes past Tesco to the Station then doubles back to Tesco then past the bus garage and on through Little Heath towards Hatfield. So travelling from Tesco to Brookmans Park you have to be on the south side of the road for a 242 and the north side for a 243, although the 243 will also stop on the south side too on its double run to the station.

Thankfully Hertfordshire County Council’s map on its Intalink website has been updated as understanding the route intricacies is not helped by once again out of date timetables on display at Potters Bar station detailing the pre-change routes and times.

The same was the case in Welham Green…

… and a rather tatty bus shelter too.

Sadly this is becoming a recurring theme on these reviews.

And finally for this trilogy to Dartford to give the new half-hourly go-bus route 477 to Swanley a try out. This competes with Arriva’s hourly 477 (both are using the same route number) along the same roads to Swanley from where buses continue south to Orpington via Crockenhill making it a cross Greater London boundary service.

Even before go-bus began operating Arriva deregistered its operation taking effect from the end of next month leaving the road clear for go-bus to Swanley and as yet no news of what will happen south of there to Orpington, but I guess there’ll be an hourly extension funded by Kent County Council.

Update – it’s just been announced Go-Ahead has won the contract to provide a replacement for Arriva’s journeys on the 477 – see link provided in the Comments. It will be intersecting to see if go-bus continues it’s commercially operated 477.

Further update. I now understand Go-Ahead’s entry into the 477 market is a commercial venture not tendered which makes the future of the go-bus 477 even more intriguing.

I caught the new go-bus departure at 10:58 from Dartford yesterday but was in time to see Arriva’s 10:39 leave a bit late at 10:45 with six boarding.

Go-bus left with just one passenger besides myself but three more joined us at the next stop in Lowfield Street although one alighted at the following stop. Two more boarded in Wilmington and three in Hextable making nine on the journey all told.

The return journey at 11:30 from the rather bleak bus stop alongside Swanley’s Asda left with three picking up one in Hextable and one on the outskirts of Dartford.

Passing the bus on the opposite half hour’s running to the one I caught had four or five heading towards Dartford and an impressive 10 on board towards Swanley.

In both cases that bus was followed by the Arriva journey (its timed six minutes in front northbound and 11 minutes southbound) which had four or five on board each time.

It looks like go-bus has already become the leading operator and passengers seemed to know about the service, and importantly, the new timetable.

This is obviously helped by go-bus displaying its timetables at bus stops throughout the route as well as having supplies of a timetable leaflet, with a map included inside, on board buses.

Indeed, contrary to experience elsewhere, it was good to see every bus stop had a timetable on display including the terminus stop by Asda in Swanley offering passenegers a choice of either consulting the TfL produced rather grubby timetable for Arriva’s 477…

… Arriva’s own departure listing as well as the go-bus timetable.

The go-bus half hourly timetable reduces to hourly in the afternoons to accommodate a journey variation to serve Wilmington Grammar School as well as covering route D12 to Dartford Grammar Schools but passengers will be spoilt for choice over the next few weeks.

Roger French

Blogging timetable: 06:00 TThS

31 thoughts on “A trilogy of new bus routes

  1. It was announced yesterday that Go Ahead will replace the Arriva 477 service from their Fasttrack base and branded as Kent Country.

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  2. Hopefully passengers may return in more healthy numbers twixt Swanley and Dartford with respectable service levels being restored, albeit only daytimes. This once busy service (the last crew operation in the former London Country area) has been run down to a shadow of it’s former glory, although not all Arriva’s fault.

    But if the experience of the total abandonment of the former neighbouring 402 is anything to go by, where it took some years to restore any non-schoolday only buses, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Most of the abandoned and rural section of the 477 immediately beyond Crockenhill lies in TfL land, and we all know what Mayor Khan and his Associates think of the Bromley Borough area after the “Fares Fair” challenge some decades ago. An

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  3. You carry out some very studious research into bus service provision ( well done) but I wonder how many ordinary potential passengers have the time and wherewithal to carry out such studies. I’m sure if information was in more readily available formats, business would undoubtedly expand.

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  4. I think that all of us mourn the way Potters Bar has been treated by London Transport: shameful that the road between there and Barnet remained unserved for so long. However, my survey of Route 477 took place on a wet Friday evening (04/12/2009). I arrived in Orpington by train, then caught a 477 down to the Orpington JDW for drinks then on to Dartford on another Route 477 (Arriva buses 3285 & 3261 refer). Then it was on to Gravesend on a Fastrack Route B (GN06EVL) before getting home to Hersham quite late, by train from Gravesend via Waterloo. I used to work for Thos Cook & Son Ltd and the company had a Sports Club Pavilion near Ravensbourne Station. On this day I noticed that whilst there were still playing fields operative, the pavilion had been razed to the ground being replaced by shipping containers for changing. I think that the London Borough of Lewisham had the ground after TC&S moved HQ from London to Peterborough. Some platform lights were out at Dartford Station and as this was part of my “wilderness years” I see that my mother contributed £10 towards my day’s fares.

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    1. In what way has Potters Bar been maltreated? It is outside London and therefore outside TfL’s remit. Nevertheless, the town benefits from two TfL bus routes, both of them running seven days a week from early morning through to midnight.

      The link from Barnet to Potters Bar had been provided by route 84, which became a Hertfordshire contract in 1986, later becoming a commercial service. When Metroline abandoned the 84, Sullivan Buses stepped in, but decided not to bother with the Potters Bar to Barnet section.

      Doubtlessly if TfL had felt that there was enough benefit to Greater London to fund the Potters Bar<>Barnet link, it could have done so (although against a backdrop of financial challenges, that would have been challenging). That it did not do so suggests that link was of low value to Greater London. That then indicates that if the link was of benefit to anyone, it was to Hertfordshire residents and thus the responsibility of Hertfordshire County Council to procure a replacement.

      So perhaps you might mourn the way commercial operators and Hertfordshire County Council treated the link from Potters Bar into Barnet?

      Malc M

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  5. The Herts one reads like an object lesson in how not to run a bus service. Don’t these people ever learn….? Graham L.

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  6. acording to Media reports Go-Ahead intend to take over running the Dartford to Orpington service from ARRIVA at the end of October and will runt the route from the Fastrack depot at Crossways, the operation is to be named “Kent Country” and is presumably a franchising tie up between Go-ahead and KCC, as I see it this is good news not only for the users of the 477 route but also for the North Kent area in General which needs a large national operator like GO- ahead to introduce competition in the area for Key services, but what will happen to the newly introduced competing GO-bus 477 is open to question.

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    1. ‘Demand’ is a sort of movable feast. At the lower end you could calculate how many people who have no car (and not enough money for a taxi) really, really need to travel from somewhere on the route to one of its ends and are prepared to wait up to an hour (or two hours, if you are testing the idea of a two-hourly service). At the top end, you could see how many car journeys are made.

      More practically, there are instances where genuinely enterprising firms have managed to tap ‘latent’ demand in areas usually considered as ‘not good bus territory’. Neither Hatfield nor PB stations are brilliantly situated for getting to/from the town centres (though there are fairly good bus links) so a direct bus-link, such as the 242/3 may be attractive, even though it’s slower. Perhaps some youtuber such as Nick Badley might test that out.

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  7. 477

    Update – it’s just been announced Go-Ahead has won the contract to provide a replacement for Arriva’s journeys on the 477 – see link provided in the Comments. It will be intersecting to see if go-bus continues it’s commercially operated 477

    Indeed Intersecting might be the word. Might depends on Times – Go-Bus are accepting mulit-operator tickets but have a min / flat £3 fare. Go-Ahead/KCC presumably have some graduated lower fares ? as well as the longer service. When Go-Bus go afternoon hourly with the School Bus situtation hopefully the 477 gaps are half hour not 1min 59min. So it looks like choice for the Bus traveller , and maybe showing how competition could/can grow the market / split the revenue much discussed options. £3 for say 16 passenger is £48 per journey – is that enough to live on ?

    Potters Bar

    Really the town is a mess with half the town in one area and the other half around the Station. This inbakes a lot of operational difficulties. This is one town where maybe franchising and zonal fare tickets would be useful. With routes going east terminating at the station and going to the town and beyond, and routes from west and south going to the Station and terminating in the town , somewhere handy , like the bus garage ?

    Out of interest – who owns the London Country name as a bus operation ?

    Leigh on Sea

    The Business Park terminal point changing I guess makes sense for peak flows – mainly drop off mornings, mainly long way round pick up PM.

    With no timetable to view I do wonder if Sunday can be run with two buses on a 23 serving Business Park / Airport as one end destination hourly , possibly alternating which destination is served first with all layover at the Leigh end – if that gives too much stand time extending into Canvey Island might be helpful for a bit of get closer to the seaside on a sunday from the northern residential areas. I assume the route also helps to connect the soon to be one Great British rail network pair of railways of C2C and Greater Anglia in the Borough (oops , City)

    Stephensons have shown how “Dealer White” can be neatly transformed with a bit of lettering and reasonable colour contrast ( would a mid stripe be engineeringly easier than skirt panel painting ?)

    JBC Prestatyn

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  8. Potters Bar to Hatfield another where at least 10 passengers per journey are going to be needed with some at more levels, I can see that being possible , there are more students in university accross the UK than ever before and I can this being a factor in Uno’s expertise on its base market

    JBC Prestatyn

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  9. Konect Bus have made changes to services in Essex and Suffolk including changing most of the router numbers

    The service 89 which did operated between Halstead and Braintree has now been taken over by service 42, Bury St Edmonds to Braintree and is operated from Sudbury

    Sudbury have also taken on some of the service 88 journeys

    Which does not leave their Great Yeldham garage with a lot of work, Just a few short 89 workings some school buses and part of the 88

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  10. TfL sending me Bus consultation , Ealing Broadway / Common area for the introduction of the SL13 with a stand space issue meaning the E7 omits serving in front of Ealing Broadway Station and runs on instead to turn near Ealing Common.

    SL13 introduced – seems reasonable, some overlapping normal routes reduced in frequency -( not oddly part of the consultation ) I have no idea if the frequency reductions at the other far ends of those routes will loose or annoy passengers so have no comment on that assuming TfL are experts

    The E7 though cut back from every 12 mins to every 15, which seems retrograde and not condusive to increasing travel by bus.

    TfL’s – like LT in the past , objective of generally maximising passenger journeys for a budget can mean at times you can end up pleasing none of the people none of the time.

    JBC Prestatyn

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  11. The rather strange running times for Stephensons service 23A are partly due to there being no stand time at the passenger terminal terminus. It would appear that they have only been allowed into the airport on the basis that there is no stand. Early maps at proposal stage showed the terminus as being outside at the Holiday Inn. From my experience drivers appear to be waiting for time prior to reaching the airport. A journey I made included a total of eight minutes waiting for time.

    The service provides a link from Eastwood and Belfairs to Leigh-on-Sea for which there have been campaigns for many years. There were once two services each running every 20 minutes. However the value of the service to the Airport terminal is questionable when there are flights from the airport from 0630 and arrivals up to 2300. Passengers and, more importantly, workers are arriving by 0430 for early departures and departing the airport up to midnight. There appears to be little reason for anyone else to go there.

    Peter Clark

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  12. Uno produced a lovely looking leaflet for the changes, unfortunately with some massive mistakes in it:

    The 341 was billed as going to every hour (its still two hourly)
    The 614 was billed as going to every 15 minutes (its still every 30)
    The 641 was billed as going to every hour (its still two hourly)

    https://www.unobus.info/media/2877/service-change-leaflet.pdf

    Very surprisingly the Red Eagle replacement for Uno 601 between St Albans and Borhamwood appears to have doubled the frequency for much of the route, with a direct bus on the 362 and the extension of the 361.

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  13. Looking at GoBus’ new competitive 477, it doesn’t provide a morning peak service (GoBus don’t start until 09:30 on M-F, whereas Arriva get going before 07:00), nor does it bother with the Swanley to Orpington section. The half-hourly frequency, while doubtlessly more attractive than Arriva’s hourly offering, is really only provided from 09:30 until 12:30, after which time it becomes more intermittent (more so towards Dartford, where there is only one more single interval of 30 minutes).

    One way of looking at this is an operator looking for something for his buses to do once they have finished the morning school run. With a choice of developing a new service which opens up some new links, thus adding to the local bus network, or duplicating (and destabilising) an established service, concludes there is more money to be made doing the latter.

    If Go-Ahead’s 477 is a tendered service subsidised by Kent County Council, then the outcome of this is that Arriva’s commercial service has been undermined, and Kent council tax payers must now pick up the bill to retain the bits of the 477 that GoBus don’t cover. However, is Go-Ahead’s route 477 tendered or subsidised by Kent County Council, or is it commercial? I haven’t seen anything to suggest it is tendered (the press release from Go-Ahead makes no mention of Kent County Council funding) – others may know something I don’t.

    Go-Ahead’s choice of “Kent Country” as a brand is interesting – a blend of Kent(ish) Bus and its predecessor, London Country. It will be interesting to see how they get on with the 477, and how the competition between Dartford and Swanley plays out.

    Malc M

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  14. Anonymous at 0942 mentions the changes to Konectbuses (Hedingham & Chambers) however the garage is at Sible Hedingham not Great Yeldham as he suggested. Although I’ve not counted up the allocation since the latest changes, I think it is fairly close to capacity.

    Nigel Turner

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  15. I wonder if Roger would be so positive about the developments in Kent if it was Arriva competing against the profitable off-peak journeys run by his GoBus chum and destroying the commercial viability of the route instead of the other way round?

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    1. I suspect if it was that way around, more would have been said about the competitor’s service not offering morning peak journeys so people can actually use it for work. Thankfully Go-Ahead will presumably provide a service people can actually use that Go-bus aren’t.

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  16. Rather depends if some competition will abstract revenue rather than grow the market. Arriva could have chosen to double their frequency, at least on the Swanley Dartford Section

    JBC Prestatyn

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  17. The Herefordshire team is just doing a job with as much interest as filling supermarket shelves. All those with an interest in public transport have retired. In St. Albans during the first 2 weeks In September 2 bus roads lost their bus services because of roadworks which meant 5 pairs of stops lost their bus services. Nobody bothered to put notices on the stops. Passengers were left to find out the hard way. The following week 2 city centre stops were closed for 2 days for no reason. Goodness knows when updated stop timetables will be posted.

    john

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