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Saturday 9th March 2024

Contextual Alert: The following blog was written prior to Lambeth Borough Council’s dramatic decision on Thursday afternoon to suspend the Streatham Wells Low Traffic Neighbourhood with immediate effect.

Teaser Alert: I paid a return visit to Streatham yesterday afteroon to see what impact this suspension was having. Read on for the results.

There was never any doubt the story carried by a number of media outlets at the end of last month highlighting massive peak time delays to buses heading south on Streatham High Road was true. First reported in The Times on Sunday 25th February, graphic video and photographic evidence showed stationary nose-to-tail buses accompaning dramatically worded articles highlighting the problem, including one bus reportedly taking two hours to travel three miles, something confirmed by TfL.

Mayor Khan acknowledged all was not well when he appeared on his regular ‘Speak to Sadiq’ slot on LBC on Thursday morning last week which caught my attention.

He told the presenter, James O’Brien, his team are in talks with Lambeth Borough Council about the impact of the ‘Streatham Wells’ Low-Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) scheme, introduced as a 12-18 month trial by the Council in October 2023, which is allegedly “fuelling” the problem.

The media love a good LTN knocking story so it sounded an ideal job for BusAndTrainUser Verify to investigate the veracity of the claims which led me to spend an interesting few hours on Monday checking the traffic flow out from late morning to late afternoon.

I arrived at Streatham station at 11:30 and set off walking about a mile northwards along Streatham High Road towards Streatham Hill station to see what I’d find, before wandering around the LTN itself to see how ‘low’ traffic levels actually are in the ‘low traffic neighbourhood’.

The above map shows the LTN’s three coloured zones and I’ve added TfL bus route numbers alongside roads to demonstrate how much Streatham High Road is a key bus thoroughfare.

Traffic was flowing freely in both directions along Streatham High Road as I headed north, which wasn’t surprising for a late Monday morning, although a broken down van …

… on the northbound St Leonards Church bus stop …

… was causing a problem every time more than one of the 11 bus routes which use this busy stop arrived at the same time as another.

On the other side of the road, loading and unloading is permitted for three hours during the off-peak …

… and owners of a local shop were taking advantage of that facility.

Note there’s not much room on the pavement by the bus stop, including no space for a shelter which will become pertinent later in the blog.

I carried on walking up the 1.1 miles along Streatham High Road towards Streatham Hill station…

… taking note of other busy bus stops (as you can see from the above map, there are quite a few on this short stretch of road) …

… the whole area being a 20mph zone – both the LTN …

… and Streatham High Road …

… and I also noticed signs confirming access to the LTN on the east side of the road. The only restrictions are ban on goods vehicles during late evening and overnight as well as Saturday afternoons and any time on Sundays.

There are no restrictions for other traffic either entering (or exiting) at any time. That’s because restrictions within the LTN itself forbid through traffic and there are full entry and exit restrictions on the other boundary road (Leigham Court Road) along the eastern side as shown on the earlier map.

These either comprise physical barriers…

…. as shown here at the top of Leigham Avenue and Conifer Gardens (at their junction with Leigham Court Road)…

… or at the next junction along – Leigham Court Road, with Culverhouse Gardens…

… where there are just signs and planters…

… with an advance warning on Leigham Court Road of what you’ll face…

… and there’s no doubting what the sign mean and what the fine is for ignoring it, as home made warning signs explain all.

You may have noticed from the first map showing the LTN to which I added bus route numbers, that taxis and buses on TfL’s route 315, exceptionally from all other traffic, are allowed to travel through the area, entering from Leigham Court Road into Valley Road…

… and moving from the purple zone to the yellow and then red zone …

… from where it leaves the LTN (along with other traffic) into Streatham High Road.

Two impressions hit me as I wandered around the LTN. Firstly just how quiet it was with very little traffic moving along the roads…

… making for a very pleasant atmosphere and an easy passage for buses on the 315 compared to many other residential areas of this kind which TfL’s bus routes serve, often with great difficulty, due to parked vehicles, narrow roads and passing other traffic.

Buses on route 315 operate on a hail and ride basis through the area but I only saw one timetable case indicating the presence of a bus …

… and no indication elsewhere of the custom and practice of where buses stop. Indeed, I waited on a clear piece of road (as in the photo above, but one) to hail the bus but the driver pointedly indicated, as he passed me, I should be waiting further down the road, where he waited for me to walk down.

Secondly, whilst the traffic free nature of the area is very pleasant, it also comes across how draconian and prohibitive all the signs are around the LTN.

They’re a bit negative to the point of over powering on every street corner…

… and some are complex to understand as well as the idea Big Brother is looking down on your every move.

Even so, I spotted some chancers which shows if you want enforcement, you have to have high profile methods to achieve it these days. Lambeth Council says traffic levels are down 60% in the LTN with speeds of the remaining traffic 68% reduced. Around £320,000 in fines have been issued since the scheme began in October.

The upshot of all the foregoing was a realisation that all traffic entering or leaving the red and purple zones of the LTN has to do so via Streatham High Road whereas Leigham Court Road (marked in blue) is pretty much an access and egress free road, other than the yellow area. Here’s the map again to explain that point.

This is relevant as my wanderings returned to the scene of the action, or rather inaction, Streatham High Road itself. After my LTN wander I took a bus ride up to Brixton, then over to Clapham Common and back across to Streatham Hill to fill time before the afternoon peak period set in.

And perhaps inevitably this did so as soon as the schools started to turn out. I was returning on a bus on route 50 from Clapham Common which hit the beginning of what was obviously a long queue of southbound buses as we headed down Streatham High Road at 15:28 when the following photograph was taken.

When I left for my little bus tour an hour previously the road had been flowing freely. But now it was absolutely solid. So much so I alighted the bus – the driver kindly opened the doors mid way between bus stops as he could see there was no movement ahead at all – just a long line of buses in the nearside bus lane and stationary traffic in the offside lane as far as the eye could see down Streatham High Road.

I wandered down towards Streatham station to try and establish exactly what was causing the blockage that an hour previously wasn’t there at all. I realised if it was like this at 15:30, in another couple of hours it’d be congestion armageddon.

Others were deserting buses in the queue too as more ex-passengers walked south passing bus after bus. The first thing I noticed, as you can see in the above and below photographs, was the difficulty for any traffic trying to enter or leave the LTN – as it needed to cross a blocked bus lane.

Some bus drivers (the single deck 255 – as above) held back to let a car out, but the problem in doing that can be the car then blocks the bus lane if it can’t access the offside lane (for non bus traffic) due to that being blocked or motorists not giving way. I saw both happening. Furthermore once you let one car out there’s another driver hard on the front car’s rear bumper anxious to take advantage of the courtesy shown and try to get out too.

I reached the traffic lights by the bus stops called Becmead Avenue which control the junction with Pendennis Road with the LTN purple area and came across the next problem. Only one, two or sometimes three buses were getting through on a green light simply because the road ahead was blocked and the yellow box junction needed to be kept clear.

A pedestrian phase on those lights can mean the traffic beyond the junction moves ahead a short distance so traffic then comes out of the LTN on Pendennis Road and tails back round the corner meaning the lights go green for Streatham High Road but the road ahead is blocked again, and nothing moves. And so it goes on.

Pendennis Road itself (above and below) was also in a state of chaos as cars are able to park on both sides of the road close to the junction which, with the queue for the traffic lights taking up most of the road, traffic coming into the road can’t get through and then tails back across the junction with Streatham High Road …. and a mini gridlock occurs until the next Pendennis green phase might allow some movement.

Meanwhile further south along Streatham High Road the two lanes merge into a single lane…

… with cars waiting patiently in the side roads from the LTN, to join that queue.

On this stretch I saw a classic case of a motorist on Streatham High Road rightly keeping the box junction clear, protecting access/egress into/out of the LTN – but the effect was to give priority to the joining traffic which just fills any gap as the southbound queue of traffic (south of the box junction) inches forward. If the joining traffic hogs the corner they can effectively become the main flow and cars coming south on Streatham High Road don’t move as they’d block the box junction.

I realised more traffic must be joining the end of the queue back up at Streatham Hill than was able to funnel through this section of single lane Streatham High Road. At this rate, I reckoned, the start of the queue would soon be back at Brixton. And it’s also telling from the above photo just how many cars have now interspersed themselves into the queue of buses that further back are nose to tail in the bus lane.

I continued my wander and came to the busy junction with Mitcham Lane at St Leonards Church.

This is the junction where, what has now become two southbound lanes again, has the nearside lane heading south towards Streatham station and the A23 on to Croydon…

… and the offside lane going in a south-westerly direction on the A216 towards Mitcham.

St Leonards Church junction looking north with one lane south to Mitcham on the left and one lane south to Croydon on the right.

Two lanes of traffic also join the southbound Streatham High Road from Tooting Bec Road and Garrad’s Road (from Tooting and Clapham respectively)…

… and I noticed when a pedestrian crossing phase is called on the junction, the southbound Streatham High Road only gets 25 seconds green time, the first few previous seconds of which are taken up with sorting out the conflict with traffic which hasn’t cleared the junction.

Immediately south of that junction Streatham High Road changes immediately back to a nearside bus lane/stop and an offside lane for all other traffic which just joined the road at the junction in two lanes (from Tooting and Clapham Common).

Sometimes the traffic is backed up from the next junction down (by Streatham Common) and blocks access for buses to the bus lane. This adds to further delays for southbound buses.

Ironically there was all those queueing buses further back in the bus lane, yet here is a free flowing section of bus lane further on (see above photo) but with no buses able to access it due to the aforementioned bottlenecks. It was now almost 16:00 so I thought I’d walk back up to Streatham Hill station again and see how the end of the queue was going.

Sure enough it was even longer with progress by the inch at best. I took some video clips to show the extent of the problem.

Towards the back of the queue I took a photo of a New Routemaster on route 159 inching towards its terminus at Streatham station having almost completed its journey from Marble Arch.

The above photo was taken at 16:03 just past the Kingscourt Road bus stop. Imagining I’d just alighted from the bus to walk to Streatham station instead of staying on it, I set my stop watch and began walking south observing all the issues described above – still evident but to an even greater degree.

And remember that bus stop without a shelter at St Leonards Church? Unsurprisingly it was full of frustrated passengers waiting for one of the 63 buses an hour that pass along Streatham High Road. Twelve of those buses an hour are on route 109 running every five minutes between Brixton and Croydon. Or should I say, scheduled to run very five minutes.

There’s no way you can run a five minute frequency in the conditions I’ve described, let alone 63 buses an hour.

As I got to the bus stop on my walk there was a complete scrum to get on board a bus that had arrived, with passengers pushing their way through the centre door as well as the front door.

I really feel sorry for bus drivers not only getting frustrated with such an excessive delay but having to deal with the impact on passengers. They really are brilliant to put up with such pressure.

After that I soon arrived at Streatham station. It was just after 16:15. It had taken me 12 minutes and 46 seconds to walk 0.7 of a mile.

My plan was to wait at the terminus alongside the station and a huge Tesco Extra and see what time that bus on route 159 arrived had I stayed on it…

… but then I thought, why? I’d garnered enough information, and it might, instead, be interesting to see how far towards home I could get compared to if I had remained on that bus until it reached the terminus, rather than taken the option of walking.

I caught a Southern train at 16:25 to East Croydon and changed on to a Thameslink train at 16:49. As the train passed through South Croydon a couple of minutes later at 16:51 I noticed the vehicle tracking website was showing bus registration number LTZ 1022 had finally reached the terminus, 48 and a half minutes after I’d set my stop watch and started walking.

It had taken four times as long as my walk and instead of me still being at Streatham I was well on the way home down the Brighton Main Line.

Just under three quarters of a mile in 48 minutes. You simply can’t run a bus operation in such conditions.

Indeed I noticed a bus on route P3, which heads south from Streatham Hill to turn at Streatham station (like the 159), do a U-turn at the top end of Streatham High Road to avoid the chaos. It was an understandable action but doesn’t help passengers waiting at Streatham station to head north.

And all this was before five o’clock on a Monday. I can quite imagine once that queue had stretched much further back – up to three miles – later in the peak period on a busier traffic day – it could easily take two hours as the media reported.

But, has the LTN really caused the problem as the media reported and the Mayor alighted on?

Streatham High Road has always been notorious for delays at peak times. Its road layout and junction capacities, as described here, simply don’t facilitate free flowing traffic at peak times and it was plain to see the joining traffic from the LTN was not the cause of the problem but was obviously exacerbating it to a certain degree. Lambeth Council state traffic on surrounding roads has increased by 8% since the LTN began and I can appreciate that has pushed Streatham High Road over the edge.

It does seem a strange idea to funnel all the traffic from the LTN’s red and purple zones onto the already-at-capacity Streatham High Road. It would be interesting to see the impact if access and egress was switched to Leigham Court Road instead of Streatham High Road, where the planters and £130 fine signs could be installed instead.

Granted this might mean Leigham Court Road becoming busier instead and more pressure on the Streatham Hill junction from that road, but the impact on bus passengers would be much less, with only one route, the 417, and a local route at that (Clapham Common-Crystal Palace), being impacted instead of 63 buses an hour on 11 routes with destinations far and wide including Old Coulsdon, Kingston and Marble Arch.

One thing’s for sure, the LTN is really making a difference in the Streatham Wells neighbourhood and it would be very unfortunate to return to a situation where it became a free-for-all cut through for all traffic trying to avoid the congested Streatham High Road. Reading comments online from residents before the LTN was established, it’s clear Valley Road was regularly congested with queuing traffic cutting through the area making for an unpleasant place to live and move around, whereas now it’s much improved.

Let’s hope discussions between Lambeth Borough Council and the Mayor’s team find a sensible solution and soon, particularly for the thousands of bus passengers over a wide area of south London impacted by this.

And for the sanity of all the bus drivers and controllers.

And that’s where today’s blog would have finished, as originally written, before the Council’s dramatic decision to end the LTN with immediate effect on Thursday afternoon leading to more inevitable media headlines.

As explained at the beginning of this blog, I paid a return visit to Streatham yesterday afternoon to see what impact the now abandoned LTN was having on traffic flow.

First impressions as I exited Streatham station at 15:15 was noticing the better traffic conditions. Some of that may have been due to Fridays being a day of fewer commuters with ‘working from home’ and long weekends becoming a thing.

I took a bus ride north to Streatham Hill and noted Streatham High Road heading south was pretty much free flowing. The test would come in the next 45 minutes with schools turning out.

I took a bus on the 417 down Leigham Court Road to see if the ‘no access’ signs had been covered over. They hadn’t. I guess Lambeth Borough Council needs time to organise such things.

Back on Streatham High Road I walked south towards the Kingscourt Road bus stop where I’d taken that photograph of LTZ1022 on route 159 at 16:03 on Monday.

There was a distinct lack of buses.

And a distinct lack of a traffic queue. Maybe this was a Friday factor as the LTN abandonment surely couldn’t have made that much difference.

Where had all the buses gone? Maybe there was a blockage back up at Brixton?

At 16:03, bus LTZ1622 appeared on route 159 in the same spot and time I’d taken the photo of its sister LTZ1022 on Monday. So after a quick photo I jumped aboard to see how long it would take to travel the 0.7 miles to Streatham station.

I set my stop watch and grabbed the front seat upstairs.

It wasn’t all plain sailing. We hit frustratingly slow moving traffic especially at the traffic lights by Pendennus Road…

… and through the single lane bottleneck.

From my birds eye view it was obvious just how disruptive traffic turning into and out of the LTN is, causing delays to southbound traffic on Streatham High Road, especially where junctions are close together.

I was a bit surprised when the driver used the outside lane allocated for the A216 towards Mitcham as we approached the St Leonards Church junction…

… but he managed to cut in just as we reached the traffic lights.

By a neat coincidence we arrived at Streatham station bus stand at 16:16 exactly 12 minutes after I started the stop watch as we’d set off at 16:04 from the Kingscourt Road bus stop.

Much better than the 48 minutes it had taken on Monday but, as I knew from personal experience, even yesterday’s bus journey was only at walking pace.

To conclude this marathon blog, a few random thoughts …

1. The LTN has been abandoned in haste. Instead, it would have made sense to try switching its access and egress to Leigham Court Road to reduce the impact on Streatham High Road.

2. The LTN created a pleasant low traffic environment for residents. Coincidentally The Guardian was reporting yesterday how the Prime Minister has suppressed publication of an official study he ordered into LTNs last July as the conclusions – that they’re “generally popular and effective” doesn’t sit well with his narrative of “being on the side of the motorist”.

3. Streatham High Road is a bottleneck with or without the LTN. Congestion and delays are set to get worse as it’s been announced disruptive roadworks commissioned by TfL will start during the Spring (ie soon) to install segregated cycle lanes along this stretch of the A23 and Streatham High Road. Good luck with that then.

4. One can only imagine the delays which if these works begin had there been no modifications to the LTN.

5. There are Mayoral elections in May.

Roger French

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  1. An excellent blog. To summarise:
    Question – What is the overall problem?
    Answer – Too much traffic.
    Solution – Reduce the amount of traffic.

    Analysis – Not possible. In those beloved olden days, we worked closish to our homes; we went to school closish to our homes; we didn’t really do extra-curricular activities (maybe Scouts one evening a week).
    Now … parental choice means our children go to school all over, and need transporting twice a day. After school Tarquin will have football or dancing elsewhere, so will need transporting again.
    Great for the kids …. hellish for everyone else.

    I don’t know how to sort it …. LTNs are great, but is the price too high??

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    1. Exactly! The anti ULEZ brigade have jumped on the mayor’s references to road user charging; it’s the only way to efficiently cost road space. No increase in the overall tax burden if you remove fuel duty and transfer to a pay per mile system. The congestion you cause by driving down Streatham High Road would mean a far higher charge per mile at 5pm than 11.30am. But the losers will shout the loudest and there will inevitably be unfortunate cases so no progress. All the focus on electric vehicles just distracts from the main problem!

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  2. The idea of LTN’s to make residential areas more liveable in is a worthy idea. But as shown here the traffic will go somewhere as people are wedded to their cars. It seems that the traffic planners at Tfl or their consultants have no idea of what they are doing to achieve that end,as is noted it would be far better to reduce the number of access points on Streatham High Rd, and funnel access into the LTN from other neighbouring roads. The removal Valley road rat run could simply have been achieved by the block in its centre. As we see all over the country traffic planners seem to have little skill in changing road layouts and towns are plagued with endless roadworks to resolve the problem they created last time.

    The seemingly relentless roll out (and removal of road space) of cycle lanes encourages cyclists on to main roads and is slowing down buses, and that is one of a number of reasons why bus patronage is falling. I believe in London there is a direct correlation between bus speed and patronage.

    Someone ( a politician ) needs to understand that you cannot have everything you want in one go.
    ULEZ (allegedly) reduces pollution, but removal of road space and LTN’s ( which must involve cars doing more mileage ) increases pollution. Surely the aim must be to reduce car traffic by getting people on to public transport. Over the next 5 years there is going to be a significant increase in ( currently unlicensed) electric scooter traffic which is going to change the dynamics again . Tfl seems oblivious to this, and it needs to urgently sort out the Licencing and insurance rules.

    Everything Tfl does should be with the aim of increasing bus speeds, but in fact it is doing the opposite. As a result none of its other traffic aims will be achieved, and as is obvious to all, congestion continues to get worse despite London having the lowest level of car ownership per head in England.

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    1. @Anon 07:41

      As Roger has explained in his post, the LTN was introduced by the local council (Lambeth), not TfL.

      Licencing of e-scooters is covered by legislation. While you may want to point the finger at TfL, what powers do you think TfL has to set the rules for licencing or insurance?

      Malc M

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  3. Transport for London partly funded this scheme as part of their active travel agenda and throughout the whole monitoring process it appears their officers did not raise any issues.

    TfLs Walking and Cycling tsar (there isn’t an equivalent one for buses) welcomed it and London Travelwatch appear to have remained silent on it too.

    Then there’s an election and suddenly Sadiq Khan and his team seize an opportunity to blame Lambeth Council.

    Yes we went through an unprecedented pandemic and yes at the time we needed measures to encourage active travel. We still do but with a return to normality all these measures need to be reviewed.

    TfL has been mandated by the Government to introduce more bus lanes but the Govt is not resisting the large scale removal of some for cycle lanes. Often this result in just one running lane like King Street Hammersmith. If a bus breaks down (as has happened more than once) then there is gridlock.

    We need someone in London to speak up for the bus and bus users who tend to be generally low paid and less active. But we mustn’t forget tourists who love to travel on our ‘iconic’ red buses and bring in money into our economy. Unfortunately to TfLs planners who rely on Census data to plan the network they don’t count.

    So buses continue to travel slowly, cost more to operate and carry fewer passengers . Does anybody at TfL or in the Mayor’s office give a damn ?

    Martin W

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  4. Any “stick” approach to traffic management needs time to bed in. Yes, in the immediate aftermath of closing rat runs, people will drive on the nearest available road, which causes congestion. But over time, they will get fed up with sitting in endless queues and will find alternatives, at which point the traffic quietens down. Removing the LTN is premature, although consideration should have been given to adjusting it so that it wasn’t funneling so much traffic into junctions that couldn’t cope with it.

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  5. The impact of schemes like this reaches far away places, as Roger mentions. In my younger days, I used to change from train to bus at Coulsdon South station, to get home ‘up the hill’ in Old Coulsdon.

    Traffic congestion in Croydon and Purley meant that you never knew how long the wait would be for the bus. Now that buses have to struggle through this distant chaos, as well, it’s likely that passengers on the periphery will give up completely. The loss of patronage at the outer ends of such long routes needs to be calculated into the costs of such schemes. Somehow, I can’t see Lambeth Council being too concerned, but a loss of regular passengers is usually irreversible.

    Peter Murnaghan

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  6. I find myself slightly at odds with Roger’s rather generous comments towards the low traffic neighbourhood idea. Without doubt this particular scheme has been catastrophic for bus service operation and may well have put off some people from using public transport as soon as they have any choice in the matter. Surely the aim of maintaining a reliable bus service should be among the top priorities, especially if you want people to actually have alternatives to using private vehicles.

    Transport planners, of whom I was one, have been wedded to ideas of getting people out of their cars for decades, but there is a limit to how far this can be taken in a city of over 8 million people. Generally well intentioned concepts become rigid dogmatic policies applied inappropriately to busy areas complex circulation and access requirements. And it isn’t just – or even in many areas mainly cars there are delivery vehicles, emergency vehicles, lorries etc, all of which carry out vital functions in London. We remove gyratories and roundabouts come what may, on the grounds that we are releasing urban space for “people” – as if people want to party on a peninsula surrounded still on three sides by traffic! There are always people extolling the benefits of Copenhagen or certain German cities – the illustration would be of a wide boulevard with a general traffic lane, parking and loading space, bus or tram lane, a row of trees, wide footways etc. But in general in London even the main roads are not that wide and the reallocation of generous road widths amounts to squeezing a quart into a pint pot. I would add that although I’m a cyclist I’m sceptical that segregated cycleways can normally be provided without causing exactly this kind of problem – and the cycle lanes tend to be lightly during off peak periods

    The fact that Streatham High Road was a well-known bottleneck seems to be a very good reason for not pushing it further over the edge by yet more draconian restrictions on adjacent roads. I’ve never quite understood the equity argument for making “nice” areas such as Streatham Wells less dominated by traffic at the expense of pushing more traffic onto roads inhabited by poorer people living above shops etc who tend to own and use fewer cars!

    I’d also question the use of 20 mile an hour limits on main arterial roads in London. Yes, the average speed of traffic is less than 20 miles an hour, but clearly that fact that traffic at no point can (legally!) reach 30 legally must affect journey times to an even greater extent. Are the safety benefits really justified? It would be good to have a thorough independent thorough analysis of that. My experience is that when politicians want something, they tend to get it, despite any evidence one way or the other.

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  7. And there was me thinking the congestion on our roads in London was caused by the trams and tramtracks (message timed at 19:53)
    J B C Prestatyn

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  8. Interesting blog and analysis. There is an LTN near me, in Kings Heath (Birmingham), which is deeply unpopular with some residents, mainly those living on roads that have seen increased levels of traffic, due to many side roads being blocked off or made one-way.
    You have the same situation as you described on Streatham High Road, where traffic from the LTN zones is being ‘funneled’ onto the already congested Alcester Road / High Street (A435), so queues and blockages regularly occur. I once got off the 50 at the Poplar Road stop and walked down the High Street, reaching the next stop at Institute Road long before that bus got there.
    Bus routes 46 and 169 which terminate at Kings Heath, are constantly having their routes revised, because there is no effective or reliable way of turning around.
    In the case of Kings Heath, it was already a congested mess prior to bringing in the LTN, so scrapping it wouldn’t make much difference to be honest.

    Stu – West Midlands Bus Users

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  9. Interesting piece, thank you Roger.

    Streatham High Road has long been prone to traffic delays. I recall an occasion driving a rail replacement bus one Saturday, leaving Tulse Hill spot on time and arriving at the next station, Streatham, nearly an hour late. The reason? Streatham High Road was at a standstill. Was the LTN in force? No, this was around 15 years ago!

    There is an assumption that if you introduce an LTN, all the traffic goes onto surrounding roads (primarily the main roads). In the immediate term, that may be true. But how much of that traffic is doing very local trips, which could be walked (but why bother when jumping in the car is so easy and convenient)? In time, making driving less convenient will discourage the use of cars for those short trips.

    Malc M

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  10. I must be getting really old…agree with absolutely every point made with all previous comments. The simple truth is that London roads have remained (thankfully), unlike Birmingham for example, more or less the same since Horse Trams were clattering down them. But the population size and house density per occupant has not and will forever go on increasing. 20mph speed limits are ridiculous, and whilst appreciating the desire to encourage cycling, there is simply no room for cycle lanes along most roads without severely reducing widths. So……solution? There isn’t one unless all private motoring is barred at peak times, a vote loser no Politician would ever agree to.

    Ironically, this road would make an ideal route for a “Superloop” limited stop service running Elephant & Castle/Brixton-Purley/Coulsdon type route.

    Terence Uden

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    1. Absolutely fascinating blog Roger thanks for such deep analysis. Interestingly I can’t actually think of any LTNs in Brum that have impacted on our bus services that like London run on frequencies of 15mins & above mostly. Andy Street CBE is moving to Neighborhood Transport Hubs with Transport for West Midlands which may be worth visiting too on the blog at a future date to compare with the LTN. I would be very interested to hear if anyone is aware of an LTN in Brum that has impacted on bus traffic flows ?

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      1. Richard, try travelling on a bus through Kings Heath during the morning or evening peak, or on a Saturday afternoon!

        Stu – West Midlands Bus Users

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        1. You won’t believe this Stu mate I am on Diamond Bus 40829 Nifty 50 right now heading to visit a client in Highters Heath Lane bizarrely heading into King’s Heath & yes fully agree that can be an adventure at times given the very high frequency v the very heavy traffic.

          May I take this opportunity to remind everyone of your invaluable blog which keeps us all up to date on developments across West Midlands Bus & is essential reading for all.

          https://wmbu.org.uk/forum/

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    2. As someone whose son was hit by a car doing 20mph in a 30mph zone, and survived with a fractured skull, I do not agree with your assertion that 20mph limits are “ridiculous”.

      Dave Harrison

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      1. A clarification to my earlier comment….I meant “ridiculous” 20mph restrictions on main roads, particularly bus routes. But yes, residential streets, 20mph necessary.

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  11. Are the “pedestrian and cycle zone signs” (below Roger’s words “over powering on every street corner”) part of the LTN?
    As the road is marked “School”, I suggest these are for a “safer schools street” or similar. The aim of such streets is to reduce further the number of motor vehicles using certain roads past schools, at school times only. They are separate from LTNs.

    John M.

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  12. Thanks for this detailed piece. I lived in Streatham for two years (unitil I was two) – but that was when there were still trams! Over the years, I have visited many times, and have a lot of friends there, almost all of whom use cars, because they can’t travel easily to places they want to go to by public transport. Would a road bypass help? probably not – Tonbridge has one, but its high street is blocked at school times. Would getting more people on to buses and trains help? Definitely – but there have to be journey opportunities comparable to the car. You can’t get from Streatham Hill to Streatham station by train: that could be achieved by extending the Victoria tube-line south, which would take many years. What could be done relatively quickly would be to give both stations tube-level frequencies – take as a model the Met/Picc line from Harrow to Uxbridge. Even quicker to set up would be, as Terence suggests, a N-S express bus – hopefully better than every 12 minutes. Maybe also express buses to places like Catford and Tooting and – if TSGN really can’t manage better than half-hourly trains to Wimbledon, Mitcham and Dulwich – to those places as well!

    The schools issue probably has to be tackled at the political end. How about if the schools split their start/stop times, say over a 90-minute period, so that 11-year olds went in at 8.30am and left at 3pm, 12-year olds 15mins later etc.. Bus operators would in return offer all regular services at least every 15 minutes at school times – and maybe later into the evening, to allow for after-school activities.

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    1. “The schools issue probably has to be tackled at the political end. How about if the schools split their start/stop times, say over a 90-minute period, so that 11-year olds went in at 8.30am and left at 3pm, 12-year olds 15mins later etc..”
      That sounds like far too sensible a solution for anyone in authority to consider!
      It would probably make the problem worse though.
      It amazes me sometimes the difference in traffic levels when it’s a school holiday period, and that tells me that many vehicles are being used by parents to ferry their children to/from school.
      Now I can understand if a child lives some distance from their school, but what I do wonder is how many of these journeys being taken are ‘local’, ie could the child not walk to school or get a bus instead?
      The problem as I see it is that there is still a perception that public bus services are “unsafe” and “expensive”, so parents are reluctant to send their kids to school on the bus, plus this general perception that “the streets are not safe!” which means that parents are reluctant to even let their kids walk or cycle to school.
      Even if you can break this perception, you still then have the issue that at the same times, buses can already be overcrowded with ‘regular’ commuters heading to work, without allowing for large numbers of schoolkids. So you’d need bus operators to commit to additional resources, or for local authorities to contract out more school services.

      Stu – West Midlands Bus Users

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  13. Fab article Roger. The problem is that there are too many vehicles on our roads and these simply can’t cope with peak hour volumes. We need to share more journies use public transport more often making it therefore more affordable as the private car is now that and travel less like ants! No whingeing but we need to think about it. We locally have new build housing developments but no access for public transport just a generic possibility of a main road service Big disclaimer by an out of touch council of TWO BUS STOPS tentively marked on the new tarmac. There is no local plan 2 improve access to these new housing plots just a modest sprinkling of car spaces. I’m just lucky to have a full head of hair I might well start pulling it out!!! S

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  14. One issue is that schemes are often introduced as 18 month experimental orders. This avoids the advertising requirements of a Traffic Regulation Order and removes the opportunity to object. Once hard landscaping is installed it becomes more difficult to make changes.

    At least in this case it means it is easier to remove at short notice.

    Within England, outside of Greater London at least, bus operators can object to proposals and where they involve a route having to be changed this triggers a Public Inquiry.

    Gareth Cheeseman

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    1. The problem with that Gareth is that in London the buses are run by TfL. Of course if we brought back London Transport and stripped TfL of the responsibility for buses and tubes then it could be a different kettle of fish. Now there’s a thought

      Martin W

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  15. A personal experience on 1 day, and you did get a lot of points that even local councillors failed to acknowledge when the scheme was in place.
    However, you didn’t manage to see the carnage that was Leigham Court Road (a boundary road) at peak times. This road can’t take more traffic as you suggested maybe a solution. During the scheme it was saturated and hellish for the residents and schools along it due to congestion and reduction in air quality. TFL diverted buses along it and Valley Road in the latter stages of the scheme which only made it worse.
    I live within the purple zone and if I needed to make at car journey, effectively I had a window between 10am and 2pm to exit and enter my zone from the high road or face extensive traffic waits.
    I also cycle to work in Tooting and my return journey along tooting common often saw me having to get onto pavement if no pedestrians were on them or push my bike at the strestham end to avoid the questionable driving methods of some as they tried to overtake me on single laned roads. At the becmead rd/pendenis rd junction with the high road I had to play chicken with traffic coming from all directions even when the lights were green for me as frustrated folks on the high road attempted to push forward down the high road by any means.
    The high road shops suffered this chaos as I and others limited when we went there to avoid the traffic and the increased fumes.
    I know your blog is a bus blog, and as I said at the start just looking at things on 1 day allowed you to see a lot, but I am not sure a LTN is the answer. There are particular roads that do need changes and the high road does need change too, but as a car, public transport, cyclist user and pedestrian living in this area this LTN was ill thought, not wanted by many. Lambeth council didn’t listen to residents or discuss with TFL and I am thankful that the mayor got involved as the local councillors refused to acknowledge what you plainly saw on 1 day.

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    1. Re. “…to avoid the questionable driving methods of some as they tried to overtake me on single laned road…”:
      Highway Code Rule 213 explicitly authorises cyclists to “take the lane” in such cases, to make dangerous/illegal overtaking impossible. I suggest carrying a few printed copies of this Rule in case of dispute.

      Roger G, Oxford

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  16. Dynamic Road Pricing has to be the eventual answer. If it cost eg 20 times the amount to use Streatham High Street at peak times than in the middle of the night as part of a London wide congestion charge there would eventually be sufficient change triggered in private car use behaviour to allow buses to run freely. SP

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  17. 1. I don’t get it… if you must have these LTNs, then surely the access to the area is from the quieter main road, ie Leigham Court Road side, rather than the already congested High Road side… in order to try and keep the main bus corridor moving… how would ANYONE think anything else is going to work?
    2. Aren’t these LTNs mostly about trying to raise some more fines/funds from a new/different source for cash strapped councils rather than anything else..?
    The sign that most universally understood sign for no entry is.. the no entry sign! I don’t see any of those here, though that is what they mean, no entry! (Accompanied by whichever version of “Buses, cycles and/or emergency vehicles only” is appropriate)
    Whilst the Highway Code might technically be satisfied, by this car and bike in a circle, they are not even crossed out – the use of any other symbol than “No Entry” to denote no entry to a section of road is tantamount to entrapment, but then that is what I claim it is mostly about anyway..

    Mackay.

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    1. Any driver who doesn’t know that a picture of a car and motorbike in a red circle, meaning prohibited, equates to don’t drive your car past this point deserves to be fined.
      Enforcement is only revenue generating if enough idiots break the rules in the first place.

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  18. Strange how the car lobby are quick to use the example of buses in their war against low traffic schemes considering that their only concern is cars,cars and more cars.The only reason that the buses are delayed or taking longer is because of cars as if there were no cars there’d be no need for low traffic neighbourhoods or 20 MPH speed limits.Of course like other road rules the motorist just won’t take any notice of the new rules and keep on their war against people.

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    1. Bizarre comments. Cars don’t “wage war on people”, though some of those driving them may do. Until the standard of present day passenger behaviour on public transport is tackled properly, unlikely it seems, the latter will never be the preferred mode of travel in London.

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      1. Let’s be honest, even if the people travelling on public transport were all angels, the people who use that as justification for driving would only find another excuse for not using public transport.

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  19. I’m curious to know where all the traffic from Pendennis road is being generated from – surely it’s not all parents picking up from the primary school on Sunnyhill Road? The map at https://schoolopinion.co.uk/london/lambeth/sunnyhill-primary-school-3958/catchment_area/ suggests that the catchment area extends little more than a mile away. Surely after a few days of getting caught in that gridlock, parents would give walking (or scooting or cycling) a try instead.

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  20. Thank you to Roger for a really though provoking blog, and providing a really balanced, non-partisan and impartial analysis against the blood and fury of the press. Sadly, the subject of LTNs feels like the latest culture war set up to distract us from the country’s wider ills. Unfortunately, there will be times where a scheme WON’T be a success, and people will jump on this, extrapolating the impact to suggest that no LTN is appropriate.

    I remember the introduction of “play streets” in Middlesbrough; trying to make streets safer for children by curbing the ability of people to use back streets as rat runs. That was a pre-cursor of the LTNs about 30 years ago. Big carrot, big stick approaches are now going to be used for political capital…. perhaps a different, more subtle approach is needed going forward?

    Thanks again

    BW2

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  21. The simple moral solution to this matter is to remove all LTNs or else reduce VED to reflect the reduction of road mileage available to those who buy cars, get a driving licence and drive. LTNs currently in force make a mockery of my wonderful collection of street atlases. Councils ought to refund me the price of street atlases which have become useless as a result of numerous planters installed everywhere. If a motorcyclist walks his machine past a prohibition with the engine switched off, is a FPN issued? Do the emergency services have full access to LTN obstructions so that they can carry out their essential statutory duties. What next? The joys of living in Surrey – planters all along Lindley Road (Walton-on-Thames) with plenty of official pedestrian crossings. Push buttons to play with when bored! Money better spent on chair lifts at Hersham Station for little old men!

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  22. An interesting split of views here on the subject of LTNs, but some of those objecting to them seem to be slightly on the frothy side. Somehow our culture needs to change from one of expecting as a default to be able to drive anywhere and everywhere just because some tax is paid each year. I’m not sure how anyone goes about it meaningfully though, sadly.

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    1. After more than 15 years of driving I remain amazed that people still regard it as a “freedom”. Take your pick from congested roads, aggressive drivers and the general waste of time from sitting in traffic and it seriously makes me wonder on how skewed the perspective is against any alternative.

      My car costs £20 a year to tax and newer models qualify for the £0 rate, alongside the freeze in fuel duty it seems nuts to think this is sustainable.

      Unfortunately I have a choice between a 20 minute driving commute or a 90 minute commute by bus….

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  23. Great work, but before suggesting the adjustment of the LTN entry and out point to be directed to the Leigham Court Road, you should do the same walk there.In the busy time of the day the Leigham Court Road was totally congested, with cars hardly moving. This is road with at least 4 schools by it and in the closet vicinity, nursery, care home, refuge hotel and more. After introducing this particular LTN every day hundreds of kids were walking on the super gridlocked stree breathing increased pollution. Monitors by the schools were showing that it was 3,4 times over the limits made by WHO. I personally had to leave for work every day 40 minutes earlier than usually just to make it on time, become this only bus 417 was stuck in the traffic. Is affected service for hours after. Walking no pleasant and healthy at all. So let’s just sacrifice the boundary road of the LTN and all the residents and users for the sake of those living in anyway quiet inside the LTNs…

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  24. Excellent journalism thank you. From the description it seems as though a lot of the problems are caused by drivers exiting the red and purple zones onto Streatham High Road at school pick up times. It’s a phenomenon I can’t fathom since in London every single child is within walking distance of primary and secondary schools. And surely this issue existed prior to the introduction of the LTN. The root cause is too many cars yet most households in Lambeth (60%) don’t actually own a car. So the majority suffer for the minority. I think dynamic road pricing is the only fair way to solve this but who will be bereaved enough to take on the motorists most of whom in London drive regularly but for incredibly short distances?
    MikeC

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  25. Good article on LTNs and the policy reasons behind them. As the article says not all schemes are successful but the majority are. I think this particular one didn’t adequately consider the implications on the boundary roads, and the effects on bus services. It shows a lack of joined up thinking, as you can’t disregard public transport from policies designed to reduce car use.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/10/the-guardian-view-on-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-spread-the-word-these-schemes-work

    On a personal level I have been thinking about my future travel mode. Will I replace my 2019 petrol car with an EV? Unlikely. I am about to retire after six years of bring a carer for my parents. I live in a walkable area, my GP is 5 minutes walk, as is a pharmacy, and Tesco Express. I can walk or cycle to my town centre on quiet residential streets. I am therefore planning on getting an electric foldable cargo bike for local errands including grocery shopping (beneficial healthwise as I get older) and minimise my driving to trips further afield, such as future hospital appointments, or garden centre and trips to the recycling. I will use buses if I need to go to Bath (my nearest city).

    Everyone should be thinking about what they are going to do as the number of petrol cars declines, with resulting price increases, are EVs an option, and if not what will you do?

    Peter Brown

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    1. I haven’t had a car for over 20 years. I live 5 minutes walk from a large supermarket, 15 minutes walk from the city centre, 10 minutes walk from the GP surgery and pharmacy, and 20 minutes walk from my work. I don’t need a car on a day-to-day basis, especially not in these days of buying big stuff online.

      Everyone else who lives in my street drives to all those places (OK, they don’t work at the same place as me!) and I know that I’m seen as weird for not having a car.

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      1. That sounds ideal, and how I envisage I will live in future. I imagine that as working from home embeds into society, Older inner suburbs that were built to be walkable, with day to day facilities nearby will become more desirable to the professional classes.
        Unfortunately poorer people who will be pushed further out to the newer car dependent areas increasing their travel to work time and costs. I still don’t see EVs replacing IC cars on a one for one basis so a mobility crisis is brewing for those in car dependent areas, but this should be an opportunity for bus operators.

        Peter Brown

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  26. Correction: The segregated bike lanes will be going in between Streatham Hill station and just North of the S.Circular, where the A23 is very wide and can easily take them. It’s the same width (more or less) all the way to the Odeon and Pendennis Road, and then down by the common it’s very wide again. It’s just the old village high street section in between that makes the bottleneck. Some bus prioirty signals and a southbound bus lane would probably be enough to fix it.

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  27. I note from your London Bus Reductions Tracker page that routes using parts of Streatham High Road over the last year have had a net cut of 5 ( and more immediately one more making 6 ) buses out of the schedules , which given the LTN may or may not have been a good thing

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