Seen Around

Saturday 29th August 2026

After three months, this weekend brings the BusAndTrainUser summer blogging timetable to an end with tomorrow’s blog (featuring the next route 99) being the last for a Sunday appearance for this year but there will be a Bank Holiday blogpost bonus on Monday thanks to a reader’s amazing analysis of bus routes in Berkshire, so watch out for that. Meanwhile, here is August’s miscellany melee….

Happy New Year

With summer on the wane, it won’t be long before Christmas is with us once again and I spotted TfL already in the swing of it by promoting New Year’s Eve fireworks or more to the point, promoting the advice not to go without a ticket. Wise words no doubt back in December 2025, so why not leave them on display all year ready for December 2026? Good thinking TfL and a good use of displays….

… especially as while in Waltham Cross last week taking a ride on route 13 I thought I’d check out the displays for Central Connect’s new route A1 as well as the enhanced frequency of route 13 and the new coordinated times between Arriva’s 66 and 251 introduced at the end of last month.

Sadly, four weeks after introduction information is still not displayed with out of date rubbish misleading passengers, including the old times for routes 13, 66 and 251 and no reference to new route A1 either on the bus stop flag or in the timetable case. And that reference to route 505 will be two years out of date on 2nd September as in 2024 Vectare (now Central Connect) renumbered it 15, 15A and 15B which ironically are displayed.

Someone at TfL or either Hertfordshire or Essex County Councils or the operators needs to get a grip and sort this mess out.

“…public ownership of our railways in action” … my ar*e!

Am I the only one getting fed up with the Secretary of State for Transport continually blurting out how everything on the railways is better because of public ownership? Her latest propaganda message put out on social media on Wednesday concerned a welcome announcement the awful seats in Thameslink’s Class 700 trains are to be replaced.

To imply this is because of public ownership is disingenuous in the extreme. These trains were specified by the Department for Transport and the decision to install cheap uncomfortable ‘ironing board’ seats in the first place rests firmly at her Department’s door. It’s got nothing to do with “public ownership”. At least Twitter readers added the “context” explaining this as I’ve highlighted.

My advice to Ms Alexander……..this continual ‘broken record’ mantra not only makes you look increasingly childish and out of touch but will come back to bite you. Oh; and another thing, please make sure seat back trays are fitted as standard this time so there’s no need for a face saving retrospective fitment campaign (which was abandoned in any event – as was the promised installation of WiFi to trains with only about half the fleet completed). Public Ownership eh?

Out Of Order but Open

I’ve long learnt never to trust the notice outside the toilets at Stratford Underground station. It’s almost always there – telling passengers in need of a pee they’re “OUT OF ORDER” “OUT OF ORDER” “OUT OF ORDER”, yet the door is open and they’re available for use, albeit in a dreadful state. Hopefully Mayor Khan’s announcement a while ago of a five year £15 million investment in improving toilets includes Stratford high on the list.

Meanwhile up in Sheffield, blog reader Mel, sent me the latest news from the People’s Network where there seems to be an outbreak of malfunctioning doors, not only to enter the Interchange, but also in the toilet cubicles…

… and the accessible toilet too.

Unfortunately the notice advising customers to “use the DISABLED TOILET as an alternative” doesn’t quite work when it’s the accessible (“disabled”) toilet that’s faulty.

Mel also tells me he took this photo below at exactly 15:00.

Time to get a better maintenance contractor perhaps?

Where’s the Green gone?

Nice to see the lovely floral displays on the northbound platform at Palmers Green station on the Hertford loop line and appropriately enough the colourful foliage was hiding the word Green. By

Welcome to Colchester North Rail Station

Colchester’s Park & Ride will soon be changing hands from Arriva to Stephensons and I wonder if passengers will appreciate the rather splendid map on display at the Park & Ride site showing the route the bus takes including passing by the mythical Colchester North Rail Station.

I wonder if the newly named GBR Anglia know about this mystery named station?

No more U-Turns

TfL’s gradual (and what seems relentless) tinkering with bus routes across its network to make savings (sorry …. “better match supply with demand”) continues next Saturday when a much loved (by me) and long standing turning movement for route 279 in Seven Sisters Road at Manor House disappears.

Buses on route 279 have been U-turning on this busy road since 2004 with other routes enjoying the ritual over many years before that, including the 123 for many years.

There’s something about seeing a bus make a U-turn on a major road…

… and sadly, it will be no more from next weekend when the 279 is diverted at Seven Sisters station to Stamford Hill to replace the about to be withdrawn route 349 which I blogged about when the consultation was launched back in December.

As part of these changes, route 259 is being cut back from King’s Cross to Holloway at its southern end…

… but extended from Edmonton Green to Ponders End (Enfield bus garage) at its northern end. I wonder what the good folk who used to work in London Transport’s Divisional Offices at Manor House think of all these changes.

Another number to disappear from the TfL bus network in a raft of changes in the south west a couple of weeks ago was route 533 introduced as a “temporary” measure in 2019 when Hammersmith Bridge was closed to all traffic.

Ipswich station switches things round

It’s nice to see so many retail outlets in the entrance to Ipswich railway station even including a mini supermarket but the downside is the East of England Co-Op has ousted Greater Anglia’s ticket office…

… which is now located at the very far end of the station buildings…

… involving quite a walk from the entrance area.

And when you get there…

…there are a couple of positions open to buy tickets and obtain information.

Interestingly LNER tried something similar at Newcastle railway station a few years ago but have now thought better of it (“our first priority is our customers” etc etc) and repositioned the ticket office back where it belongs, right by the ticket barriers and under the departure boards. And it always seems to have people at the two windows when I pass through.

A hat trick in Exeter

Passing through Exeter the other week I couldn’t help wonder if this rather splendid hat would have been rescued by station staff.

Increase the frequency and the passengers will come

There was a time when Metrobus route 273 between Crawley and Brighton had a rather limited timetable but thanks to some support from West Sussex County Council the timetable was enhanced a few months ago to provide getting on for an hourly service and whenever I use it these days the numbers travelling are very encouraging.

Which just goes to show (in some cases) increase the frequency … and they will come, as seen in Brighton’s Old Steine the other afternoon.

A mixed breed in Waltham Cross

I may have been under a false impression, but I thought the reason some operators block up the road outside Waltham Cross bus station while stand time is taken was because they were not allowed to use the parking spaces within the bus station itself – only for TfL routes, I thought. But a visit the other day showed a myriad of operators parked up.

How to use the escalator

I was a bit surprised to see these extra large Network Rail posters at London Bridge station the other day advising passengers how to “Ride the escalator like a pro!”

… with no mention of standing on the right. Indeed the illustration implies you don’t – but instead you stand alongside your fellow passenger. That’ll never work in London.

Graffiti spreads to Southern

As previously reported earlier this year, it’s good to see Thameslink has now cracked the graffiti epedemic in the toilets on its trains with a new design of panels which seem to prevent them being defaced. Well done to them, but sadly the criminal low-lifes now seem to have turned their attention to Southern’s trains.

I hope the same treatment is possible for these toilets too. (I’ve blocked out the tags, not wanting to give any publicity to them.)

Castle Cary’s retro makeover

Castle Cary station has long been famous for its retro signage on the platforms making for a delightful reminder of how stations used to look.

But now, I was delighted to see on my recent visit to reach Glastonbury that there’s been a wonderful retro makeover of the waiting room and ticket office…

… and the Gents toilet (sorry … lavatory)…

… must now be one of the poshest on the network.

Let’s hope it stays that way and the vandals keep away…

… and no one walks off with that free standing loo roll holder.

New ticket barriers at High Wycombe

Passing through High Wycombe railway station yesterday I noticed the first installation of last month’s promised £33.4 million investment (more “public ownership in action”, eh Heidi?) in “taller high-security ticket barriers and modern gatelines to combat fare evasion” across the network.

Except the end barrier (on the far right looking from the platform) was left open and passengers were simply walking through without showing a ticket and without being challenged.

But there again, it looked as though passengers using contactless could also tap out on the pad to the right of the exit which surely defeats the whole object of having “taller high-security ticket barriers and modern gatelines to combat fare evasion”?

Is it Liverpool Street or Moorgate?

I was surprised to be making my way from the Elizabeth Line’s deep level platforms up to the surface at Liverpool Street the other day to hear an automated announcement welcoming me to …. Moorgate station.

It’s something I’d not heard before, and although I appreciate there’s an exit at the other end of the platforms which will take you to Moorgate, the station is called Liverpool Street and passengers unfamiliar with the geography would be quite confused by this.

A fudge of a bus in Bath

While passing through Bath last week in between the railway station and bus station I was interested to see the Great British Fudge Company sees the image of a bus as a very positive thing. Good for them. Maybe scope for a tie up with the Great British Railways Company in due course too?

This is not just a gap, this is an M&S Simply Food gap

Meanwhile back in Reading I noticed a large gap in the ticket office area outside the toilets where an M&S Simply Food used to be. It just seemed strange without it.

Celebrate the Piccadilly line’s 120 years or six day closure?

It also seems strange without the Piccadilly line operating for so many days. Notices at Underground stations warned passengers of the closure across three days in each of the last two weeks including the above example posted on a wall in KIng’s Cross appropriately enough with hazard tape. The closures are to enable testing of the new trains and associated infrastructure but it does seem quite a dramatic impact, but that’s technological progress for you.

I was expecting an email from TfL (being on its database) to advise me of this significant change in Underground trains provision and was taken aback to receive the above email at 08:22 on the second day of the closure from the London Transport Museum Shop trying to flog it’s stock of Piccadilly line branded goods to mark the line’s 120 years. And in the greatest misplaced marketing slogan of the year I see the collection is called the “TfL Piccadilly Mind The Gap collection”. Is that the gap in service for six days, I wonder?

Small print for a Big Lemon

And talking of notices, this month’s prize for the bus company posting an unreadable notice due to the small print size goes to…. The Big Lemon. On a closer examination, the notice didn’t say anything remotely interesting in any event.

Where’s Liverpool Street gone on Sundays?

Jon sent me the attached photo of the Weaver Line timetable posted at Walthamstow Central. It wrongly omits Liverpool Street from the Sunday times instead showing all trains terminating at Bethnal Green. Despite pointing it out to staff, four weeks later, Jon spotted it’s still incorrect – yet there’s room to manually add Liverpool Street on the blank line. Come on TfL, let someone use a Sharpie to sort it..

Which village sign?

With the requirement by law for every bus (no matter its age) to have audio and visual ‘next stop announcements’ from 1st October thanks to PSVAIR (Public Service Vehicles Accessible Information Regulations), I’ve found myself noticing what names have been given to every bus stop as they’re now on display and being announced (although I have to say there are many many buses out there still not equipped). Some of the names are so generic it’s difficult to know where you are, particularly if you’re a visitor to the area. But it’s one thing to have that displayed (and announced) while on board a bus, it’s quite another when you’re trying to work out timetables before travelling. On some websites I find the same stop names being used as timing points and you really do have no idea where they are as per the following example.

Ironically all this is from excellent intentions to improve accessibility.

Getting Cross with Cross Country

And finally for this month back to the frustrations of train companies’ unresponsiveness to Delay Repay claims and in particular the complete absence of any communication from Cross Country – a company that just seems to be going from worse to very worse at the moment. My journey home from Telford (having sampled route 99) back on 13th July was impacted by delays on the Cross Country’s train I aimed to catch between Wolverhampton and Stafford so I submitted the usual claim for a 30 minute delay the next day, receiving an auto-acknowledgement confirming “we will respond to your claim within 20 working days”.

On 24 July came another auto-generated email “please accept our apologies for the delay in processing your claim that we received on Tue,14 Jul 2026. We are currently experiencing high volumes of claims which is preventing us from assessing your claim as quickly as usual. We will do our best to assess your claim as soon as possible and you can check the status of your claim at any time by using our online web page at…..”.

The weeks went by so on 14 August I sent an email to Cross Country’s customer service address asking for an update, receiving another auto-acknowledgement …. “We aim to send you a full reply within 20 working days, however during busy periods where we experience high volumes of correspondence this could be for an extended period of time. Please accept our apologies for any delay in getting back to you. However you can be assured that if you have received an email providing a CrossCountry case reference, your claim is being processed and we will get back to you as soon as we can, so please refrain from contacting us for an update on your claim as this may hinder our response times.”

I can only imagine the state Cross Country are in at the moment and how they must be overwhelmed with complaints and claims but this situation for a customer is completely unsatisfactory. Obviously “public ownership” (when it comes next year to XC) will sort all this out (as Heidi would say) (I’m being ironic) but in the meantime …. we just wait???

Meanwhile GWR are up to their familiar unhelpful tricks again. Coming back from Bath last Saturday afternoon all trains through Chippenham were cancelled due to signalling problems so passengers were being advised to head to Bristol and come back via Parkway except there were major delays and disruption there too so I submitted a claim and within three days (impressive eh?) received the usual negative response that my claim was “unsuccessful ….. as we would need further supporting information to proceed with this claim, please contact our customer relations team who will be able to discuss this further.” I spent half an hour on the phone to customer relations on Wednesday trying to work out what “supporting information” was needed. They, of course, didn’t know, so had to talk to the Delay Repay team (who are not allowed to talk to passengers) and it seems they wanted to know if I had aimed to travel on the journey I’d specified on the form. Well, yes, that’s the point of submitting the information on the form, I thought. Now I have to wait 28 days to see if they deem my claim to be successful. And this after all the significant disruption to my journey on Saturday. What a way to treat your customers. Appalling.

More miscellany next month

Roger French

Sumer blogging timetable ends tomorrow with a Su and BH special before returning to 06:00 TThS pattern

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  1. Moving the ticket office to the far end of the station building at Ipswich and giving the prime spot over to a Co-op says it all 🙈

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      1. Yep thanks GBR Anglia making us get our steps in… They never think about accessibility needs. The coop should have gone where the ticket office is!

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  2. Some people like to make a fuss about the unofficial use of the name “Colchester North Station”. In reality, that name has been used for decades, including by railway staff. The fact that it’s unofficial doesn’t mean it’s not useful. When the name “Colchester Railway Station” is used without qualification, an equal number of people complain because it’s ambiguous (due to the existence of Colchester Town Railway Station). Sometimes people can’t win for trying.

    If people want to be really pedantic, perhaps they question why the “Town” station hasn’t been renamed “City”.

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    1. I suspect “Colchester North” is a bit like Edinburgh Waverley or Cark & Cartmel. You can change the official name but you can’t control what passengers and staff actually call it.

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  3. TfL’s weekly email on travel disruptions advises using bus, other rail services and rail replacement buses when the Piccadilly line is closed. They don’t give details of the replacement bus services. When Overground and UndergrounD services to Wealdstone and Watford Junction are closed, details of the replacement buses are clearly listed. A lesson for the Piccadilly line manager to learn.

    John C

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  4. BTW Roger might be interested to know the Bee Network 615 Wigan-Middlebrook which he made a blog about, as it was the first new route launched by Bee Network, is being extended to Bolton & increased to every 30 minutes with an evening & Sunday service added from tomorrow, the 30th August.

    SM

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    1. There is also a new Bee Network 377 Stockport to Woodford, starting Tuesday 1 September (because it does not operate Sunday or Bank Holiday). A long time since there has been a direct route from Stockport to Woodford (the original 377 continued to Alderley Edge) but this serves new housing development and is developer funded. The housing development is rather upper-crust so I wonder if it will survive. Also gives an increase from two to three buses an hour between Stockport and Bramhall.

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      1. Wow, back in 2015 I wrote a report about the development in Woodford and the provision of bus links to Stockport (although then we were proposing to extend the 378).

        Amazing to see it happen, although it’s not going to Wilmslow as originally planned!!

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  5. Amazingly, that route map for the Colchester Park & Ride is also wrong! The route goes straight down North Station Road (again more clue as to why it is normally called Colchester North). The route does not serve Westway, Balkerne Hill or double back by Middleborough. 0/10 marks for whoever designed that!

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    1. Well spotted. There’s also a minor error just to the north of the station, with the bus shown using the roundabout near ASDA, rather than Bruff Close.

      It almost feels like someone has used Google Maps to plan the route shown, and it has avoided all the bus gates/bus lanes.

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  6. Living near Hersham Station and wanting to buy a new Ipswich Town top, the best way to do this and support the club was to go to the Club Shop which I did. £66.20 train fare, £65.00 for the top. The ITFC Club Shop was like an “Alladin’s cave” of joy for me, yet I limited my purchases just to the top. ENCTS kicked in after my reverential visit to the Portman Road ground – the eastern elevation depicting a succinct history of the club: Champions 1962, FA Cup 1978 and UEFA Cup 1981. Statues of Sir Alf Ramsey, Sir Bobby Robson and Kevin Beattie tell further tales about the Town’s wider service to the game. Bus to the town’s JDW passing the stunning Willis Building. Surrey born and bred, I love being in Ipswich as that is where my football heart lies. To get home I decided to try Route 93 as far as Colchester. As this was on spec and unplanned I had about forty minutes to wait at the Old Cattle Market Bus Station. Whilst I waited I visited a local charity shop and bought three books: Paul Atterbury’s first book, written in conjunction with the AA (SEE BRITAIN BY TRAIN), CHOOSING A JOB: ON THE BUSES a book aimed at secondary school students and indeed the book had been in a school library in Framlingham – stacks of wonderful pictures including a very rare shot of a LT single decker on Route 82 coming up from the Cargo Tunnel at LHR! The third book was a colour album of scenes across East Anglia. The Route 93 was a joy as it dropped me a few steps away from the Colchester JDW. It was the devil’s own job getting a bus back to Colchester Station (aching legs and feet after a heavy day out) but a Route 43B eventually did the honours and interestingly it had strewn across the luggage pen leaflets advertising the new “Central Connect” services in North Essex and SW Suffolk from 30/08/2026. It was my birthday yesterday (73) so I wore the Town top on a routine shopping trip to Staines where another Town fan usually works in the market. He mans an EAST POINT FISH van based in Lowestoft. He stated that he starts for Staines at around 0200 and I got Google AI to calculate the fuel costs for his excursion £80.

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  7. Yet again we see incorrect bus timetable information at stops/stands. The words p*ss up and brewery spring to mind. I wonder why this seems to be a common occurrence throughout the UK. Doubtless there are multiple reasons, but perhaps a common thread would be too few staff having too little time to attend to piffling little details such as providing clear and correct service information to their customers?

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  8. The usual very interesting miscellany.

    On Go Cornwall route 4 the one stop at Morvah is just announced as “Telephone Box”! That is on the very rare occasion when the next stop announcements are actually working.

    In my experience GWR continues to be by far the worst operator for handling Delay Repay claims. Feels to me like they deliberately reject clearly legitimate claims in the hope that plenty of people will just give up and not appeal. Wretched company.

    Steve

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    1. In fact GWR’s claims performance is on or better than the national average:

      DfT/Transport Focus survey data (self reported by claimants)
      Claimant gets acknowledgement of claim = 81% (national average 82%)
      Claim closed in 20 days = 98% (98%)
      Proportion needing to chase the claim = 8% (17%)
      Proportion needing to appeal by train company = 11% (18%)

      Latest ORR statistics (reported by TOCs)
      Claim closed in 20 days = 99.8% (national average 99.2%)
      Claim approved = 81% (80%)

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  9. Colchester North Station is so called because it is a mile to the north of Colchester High Street which may be considered the centre of the town(now city) as it has a very elderly castle at one end of it.

    On June 1st 1890, William Norfolk of Nayland issued a timetable for his “Nayland Omnibus Service”. It stated that departures from Colchester “Waggon & Horses” would pick up at “North Station” at 1145am and 650pm. A century later, his great great grandson Howard Norfolk was still using “North Station” as a timing point so it’s fair to say that it is a very longstanding name.

    Earlier this year, I had a period where I was coming out of Ipswich Station and then going to to the ticket office for more tickets and I too found it infuriating that it had been moved from its sensible previous position.

    “Next stop announcements” are very hit and miss, not helped by the fact that so the official names for so many bus stops are either out of date or were never correct in the first place. I’ve also noticed that the pronunciation of some stops can be very different to what us locals say.

    Nigel Turner

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  10. Colchester North Station is hardly mythical, the name has been in use locally for over a century and a half! It’s just that us Colcestrians are still waiting for the railway to catch up…

    In fact, the earliest reference to Colchester Station being called North Station I found when I went looking through the Essex County Standard archives a little while back was from September 1863, shortly after Hythe Station opened (causing potential ambiguity) and a few years before St Botolph’s (Colchester Town) Station opened. Interestingly initially there are also a few references to North Hill Station and North Street Station, but these soon peter out. Some of those Victorian references were in fact in letters and adverts from the Great Eastern Railway so it presumably caught on within the railway, not just in local usage!

    As a previous commentator says, it’s accessed from the city centre via North Station Road (first use of this name recorded in the Essex County Standard in 1878, name formally adopted by the council for the full length of the road in 1892, replacing North Street, the historic name) and also via North Station Roundabout.

    Plenty of things wrong with that map, but North Station is really not a problem!

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  11. “Which just goes to show (in some cases) increase the frequency … and they will come, as seen in Brighton’s Old Steine the other afternoon.”

    Yes, absolutely, and even more likely that increased frequency will increase demand if the service is part of a similarly frequent and integrated network. Just look at several superb metro networks in continental Europe to see what can be done with a bit of willpower, determination and primary attention to public service.

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  12. In response to a comment on the last blog, there is an old style bus stop sign at Nuffield Place, eastbound on route 33 towards Henley-on-Thames near Nettlebed. Think it has the raised lettering. At least, it was there on last visit, which was May 2023 (time flies!). I would include a picture, but can’t work out how to upload them on here.

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  13. For London buses doing u-turns, one that I always liked was the southern end of the 63 at Honor Oak, where they get an on-demand signal phase at a traffic-light controlled T-junction to turn round. I wonder how many termini there are left that have buses doing a u-turn.

    As more and more systems make use of automated data – whether it’s apps, websites or on-bus displays and announcements, the shortcomings of the bus stop making systems are becoming more obvious. It is really common for only the subsidiary stop name to be shown but not the locality, so instead of “Westley Post office” you just get “Post office” – or in the case of the Arriva app, technically it does say “Post office, Westley” but the column width means it is truncated to “Post offi…”. With so many stops having such generic subsidiary descriptions, this can give an entire timetable consisting of nothing but Bus station, High Street, church, village green, church, Post office, Railway station, village green, Market Place, High Street. At least for the main stop in each locality, we need the locality name!

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    1. As more and more systems make use of automated data – whether it’s apps, websites or on-bus displays and announcements, the shortcomings of the bus stop making systems are becoming more obvious.

      The Transdev speciality of using stop names onboard that are not only different to the names shown on the stop plate but also different to the names used in Transdev’s own timetables niggles me.

      It’s not at all unusual for one stop to have three different names according to them.

      How on earth is that supposed to be customer-friendly?

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    2. The U-turn at Honor Oak is a more recent “thing”. In years gone by, buses turning at Honor Oak went around the block using residential streets.

      Malc M

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      1. How long ago is “years gone by”? Google Maps shows the current arrangement was there in 2008, and I’m sure I remember it being like that in the 90s when my grandparents still lived on Marmora Road, and I don’t remember buses coming down there which looks like it would be the only other way for them to turn round.

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        1. It may be a good few years, but I definitely remember buses going around the block at Honor Oak in the 1970s/80s.

          Malc M

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  14. rather odd in Crawley and Brighton there are people that will swap to or use buses. I think it is culture that both places have had decent levels of service compared to the places north of thames and no doubt some good up to date publicity.

    Sumer is a-going out.

    JBC Prestatyn

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    1. Or it might be related to car parking charges in Brighton. It costs over £20 to park for around 6 hours in the central area (£24 for 4 hours in possibly the most central, The Lanes).

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    1. My Caledonian Sleeper to(wards) Fort William on 19 August limped as far as Milton Keynes before limping back to Euston, arriving at 0230. Announcements and staff “walk throughs” were frequent and effective, swiftly followed by phone messages about ticket acceptance and refunds, impressively filtered by one’s booked destination. I got to Glasgow around six hours late, and a full refund arrived automatically within 48 hours.

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  15. Aren’t publicly run train companies wonderful. Nothing like the dead hand of the DfT trying to play trains, and politicians saying “it will all be wonderful” without actually saying how they will achieve this nirvana. Sigh.

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  16. Don’t forget, buses terminating at Waterloo from the north also do a U turn, albeit aided by traffic lights, to stand facing north outside the Old Vic.

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    1. Is that the route that U turns near Lambeth North Station – I forget the name of the road even though I walk down it at least twice a year

      JBC Prestatyn

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  17. I have never had any problems with GWR delay repay.

    I made two claims on the same day last week, both had been not only approved but also paid out within 48 hours.

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  18. I also had reason to apply to Cross Country for a delayed service refund this month. I am sure that they make the process as inconvenient as possible to encourage claimants to give up! When filling out their online form I was twice timed out, even though I only left my computer for a short time to obtain some required information and had to restart the process from the beginning. I did manage to get to the stage where they informed me of how much compensation I was likely to get if successful, as it was only £3.20, I gave up!

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  19. Twice on delayed journeys from Hexham to Newcastle on Northern, then onward south on LNER, following delays, Northern refer me to LNER, and LNER refer me back to Northern. I then go into in-between limbo land requiring appeals and customer service complaints to resolve. As others have said, more difficult than it needs to be? Will GBR resolve all this?

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  20. You will be pleased to hear that TfW have moved the booking office closer to the barrier line and ticket machines at Chester.

    AHS

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  21. Took a trip of Kent Country’s 308 for a walk on the North Downs way. Was an ex-Bee Network single decker with a blank screen and no next stop announcement, despite a new operator with generally positive reviews. With PSVAIR, what will be the penalty for not having all this set up by 1 October?

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  22. An eclectic miscellany of human error. It makes me smile. I do like blogs and blog posts though that pick fault with their respective topics, but then make grammatical errors within the text. A blogger friend tells me she always puts her blog posts through spell check software. But then again, she tells me that hardly anyone ever notices errors in text anyway. Such is life.

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    1. I do like blogs and blog posts though that pick fault with their respective topics, but then make grammatical errors within the text.

      Amusing, isn’t it?

      A blogger friend tells me she always puts her blog posts through spell check software. 

      Grammar checkers are better than just spell checkers, but they will still miss things – especially if the software used insists on American English rather than ‘English’ English.

      A human proofreader is a better option, but of course they rarely come free.

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  23. The 279 for many years had regular u-turns at Manor House as this was where the buses starting from Hammond Street and many also from Waltham Cross terminated. Agree it is sad to lose the 279, with its u- turn from there. Also the end of the historic link back to the 79 tram of serving Hertford Road and Seven Sisters Road.

    And having sent the 279 to Stamford Hill in order to withdraw the 349 (only introduced when the 149 went artic, presumably as they couldn’t turn at Ponders End Garage), TfL’s next bit of tinkering is to withdraw the 149 north of Stamford Hill and send it to Wood Green so they can withdraw the 67. Even though the 149 is one of the busiest routes in London, direct descendant of the 49 tram, they are using the excuse the section is overbussed.

    TfL certainly give appearance of treating buses as a tiresome obligation they have to make for London’s poor and as long as each section of bus served road has a bus route it doesn’t matter how logical it is or whether people’s travel patterns will be disrupted.

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    1. I am begining to think TfL Buses is actually really annoyed at TfL streets messing with cycle lanes . floating bus stops and cycle hire that has really impacted bus use and operation.

      The Tram Network basically built the design of London more so than much of the tube system (bits of the Metropolitan excepted) . Oddly I am thinking how much the twin now triple centres of London ( Westminster, City and Docklands) have their big passenger pulls and one is trying to work out how to serve all of them , yet the Silvertown underthames tunnel is an example of how bus routes inc the cyclist one are badly designed for routings and frequencies there are so many improvements that could be made

      JBC Prestatyn

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    2. I imagine the reason for introducing the 349 was to do with putting capacity where it was needed. The 149, high-frequency with artics, continuing north of Edmonton Green would have been over-bussing over that section.

      The case for running the 349 alongside the 149 (and 259/279) south of Edmonton Green through Tottenham, providing additional capacity over that section, may have been strong due to flows to/from the Underground at Seven Sisters. At the time, the parallel rail service wasn’t part of London Overground.

      Malc M

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  24. The Fudge company in Bath may appreciate buses, but along with every tourist facility in England they assume that all British buses are red double-deckers.

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    1. along with every tourist facility in England they assume that all British buses are red double-deckers.

      It’s not just tourist facilities.

      Lincolnshire County Council’s public transport people had some tote bags made up to advertise their “Lincsbus” website, which they bragged about on their social media.

      The bus featured is clearly based on the “red London bus” theme. They didn’t even bother having it recoloured to Lincolnshire’s long term green.

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    2. reminded me more of the red ex milk floats the Polperro Bus Co ran in that seaside village from the car park to the villiage centre (ice cream shop) as double deck buses (12 seaters?)

      JBC Prestatyn

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  25. Hi Rodger great blog as always! I do share your views on Heidi Alexander she’s all brag and no do I think. London Northwestern have worsened after nationalisation and delay repay is not simple or user friendly and she should definitely overhaul the system. GBR should have forked like the franchises in London with First Rail West Coast for example and not be put under a fixed contract so if it isn’t good enough just get a new op to come in and that would make punctuality rise. GBR will be able to self mark its homework essentially and there isn’t anything you can do really because of how the bill is written except of coarse take Lumo or Grand Central. Also her profile picture 😂. Its gone a bit quiet on the social media front from the DfT since Burnham got in. And finally if you havant already you should see the youtube shorts from the DfT they are quite something… Especially the one where she is at Brighton and sees the GBR livery (which is horrendous I may add) and she does not set a good example either (littering). But my burning question to her is why were (previously) labour run Birmingham City Council were REMOVING union jack flags (I don’t support the flags by the way) why is labour then putting them up again… on a train. Well here is my little rant. Have a good bank holiday!

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    1. I do share your views on Heidi Alexander she’s all brag and no do I think

      All transport secretaries are. Both you and Roger are just showing your politics by choosing to pick out one particular Labour transport secretary and ignoring the rest who’ve behaved exactly the same.

      But, hey, Labour, eh? Gotta have a dig at them somehow. <insert eyeroll here>

      (For the record I think Heidi Alexander is just another apparatchik and a fairly useless example at that, but in that she’s no different to any of the other fairly useless apparatchiks who have appeared in British industry and politics this century.)

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      1. John Prescott tried to get more passengers on trains and somewhat suceeded but missed the need for the northern franchises to have less pessimisim for growth at the DfT itself

        There was that tory one before that I think was more interested in roads – represented a London/Essex borders constituency – Stephen Norris ? – I once saw him filling his car (Jag?) in the tesco petrol station in Barking off the then newish North Circular.

        National Rail needs proper five/seven year funding for

        Maintain

        Repair

        Replace

        Build New

        of its assets – Stations , Track and Passenger Fleet . Disabled Access needs to have its funding moved from Transport Budget to Social Services / Local Economic Growth budgets and cover all rail including mayoral responsiblity networks

        JBC Prestatyn

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        1. Thank you both for your views. For the record as well I have not thought much about many politicians but especially not the Starmer or the tories (don’t get me started on them) as Starmer and his cabinet never delivered on their manifesto and as a person I do find her (Heidi) quite arrogant and the manifesto never said we’ll put loads of trains in a slop looking livery. I’m hopeful that Burnham will make things a bit better and will tell Heidi to stop putting a useless livery on trains that is a waste of money and we could spend it on better things.

          Again thanks for your views you make interesting points.

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  26. There needs to be a national format for naming bus stops to avoid the nonsense reported above. In Switzerland bus stops are prefixed with the town or district name, so a UK example would be “town/district name – Co-Op store”. I wonder about the mentality that assumes everyone travelling knows where and when the buses go without us having to actually say, the same mentality that thinks up to date bus stop timetables aren’t necessary.

    I did laugh at Ipswich Station ticket office being so far from the actual station entrance! Still it’s all online now innit!

    Pete

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    1. If you are amused by Ipswich station ticket office being so far away from the station entrance, you should try visiting Felixstowe.

      Enter through the former booking hall and waiting area – which is now a shopping complex, including fashion retailers and a Sainsbury’s supermarket – walk out of the far end to where the platforms used to be, cross a car park and a minor road until you come to what was formerly the far end of a very long platform, which has been retained for the flirt trains to and from Ipswich.

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  27. Does anyone know who gets the income and controls the allocation of shops in stations.

    Whilst it will soon be academic as Heidi will get all of the money I wonder if the relocation of the Ipswich ticket office was instigated by Greater Anglia to boost their income , or the Dft.

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    1. National Rail in their controlled stations – London Terminals , Clapham Junction, York, Man Pic Man Vic , Birmingham New Street (any others)

      main franchise holder looks after the other stations ( was C2C actually in charge at Fenchurch Street and not National Rail).

      JBC Prestatyn

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    2. I would assume it would be whoever owns the station building that houses the retail units.

      As with anything, these retail units are just a source of ‘additional income’ through rents/leases, same as allowing space for advertising. I wouldn’t think the train operator would get any share of the retail revenue.

      Draw your own conclusions as to whether the ticket revenue is a priority over generating retail revenue…

      Call me old-school, but I go to a train station to catch a train, not do some shopping!

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    3. Network Rail manages at main stations. Avanti, Chiltern, GWR, SWR and TPE use Amey TPT. Current and Ex Transport UK Group operators use TUK ‘Advance Ventures’ To manage their retail spaces. As for how they operate I have no clue perhaps they manage the shops on behalf of the TOC and then pass on the income after taking a cut?

      https://property.networkrail.co.uk/land-and-station-opportunities/retail/

      https://tpt.amey.co.uk/properties

      https://www.advanceventures.co.uk/property

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  28. “Ride the escalator like a pro”? I didn’t know there were professional escalator riders. Where do I apply?

    Anonymous at 07:57 had me puzzled for a while. “Bus to the town’s JDW”? The coach fleet? Ah, the newer, alcohol-fuelled JDW. Showing my age again.

    John

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  29. Delay Repay often means Delay 2 Repay. It was meant as quick compensation scheme but not always so now.

    Manor House, a bus tube interchange point now rarely used as such I would guess.

    Anglia don’t seem to like ticket offices, but mind you take busy Liverpool Street station where there used to be 10+ windows, plus a travel centre. Now 2 clerks suffice for the meagre use. Ticket machines, phone purchases, Oyster cards….say no more.

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  30. Grand Central have a very mean delay repay policy in the first place, but in my experience routinely respond to claims by saying the ticket image was ‘unclear’ and to send another image otherwise they will cancel my claim within 10 days. They’ve even done this when I’ve sent in pdf tickets. Just compounds the poor experience of the delay.

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  31. Waltham Cross really does frustrate me! Not only are the timetables for Herts and Essex out of date, it’s still got information from last years closure during WX’s works! The town is clearly in the wrong council as no one seems responsible and no seems to care. Arguably amongst the worst in the whole country. Herts still haven’t updated timetables in Cheshunt either despite some significant changes to the 251 and a 66 extension. New 25 journeys etc. 242 timetable changing next week, will they update the bus stops given they are funding this route? Probably not for ages! Essex are just as bad!

    TFL increasingly making baffling decisions in North London too. The way the 3 counties meet each other really does no one any favours and needs a major overhaul. LGR not changing any county boundaries was such a missed opportunity.

    Also 533 going means there will be no more 500s routes in London for now. Would be ideal to use these numbers for sorting out buses in the awkward fringes!

    Aaron

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    1. Good lord Aaron. Not more myopic stuff where you focus on what Aaron wants rather than the truth?

      Waltham Cross bus station is a TfL facility, maintained by them. It has nothing to do with the councils – that’s a fact.

      Similarly, TfL isn’t making increasingly baffling decisions. They’re skint and the profits from the tube aren’t enough to offset the falling revenues and increasing costs of operation.

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      1. Interesting that TfL are skint yet chose to freeze fares seven times over the past ten years & continue to offer free travel for certain categories of passengers. Khan & his management have proven time and again that they have absolutely no idea how the concept of business works.

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      2. Good lord got the troll again who won’t identify themselves. Sad this is as you clearly don’t want a discussion in good faith! Why are whoever you are so bothered by what I say? Just go about your day! I live here and its very frustrating that things don’t line up with how people around here travel, use services etc.

        It clearly don’t work between Herts, Essex and TFL splitting responsibilities does it?! Needs 1 authority to be responsible for both London and all the immediate towns beyond it. 1 transport authority for the full Greater London built up area.

        Also TFL are there to provide a public service, I don’t care how its funded, just fund it and stop the excuses! In fact, bring back the subsidy!

        Rerouting the 149 away from Tottenham and Edmonton is baffling, clearly not from here or the wider area are you? All public transport is busy in that part of London. Cuts are illogical because of that.

        Aaron

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          1. LOL!

            Oh well, if you insist. But, I’m only going to say I’m getting bored of repeating the same points I have made on a number of previous occasions. Clearly they aren’t cutting through

            Malc M

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  32. It’s obviously in the interests of train companies (inc. GBR) to deter repayment of fares. Even small amounts (e.g. the £3.20 quoted in one comment) will mount up when considered in hundreds and thousands of instances. Similarly, even if they do eventually pay up, it’s in their interest to delay such payment as long as possible. As long as that cash remains in their control it’s earning interest or investment return. Also worth noting is the fact that these payments are not ‘compensation’ (although often styled as such), but just a repayment of a charge made for a promised service that hasn’t been delivered.

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  33. The subject of next-stop announcements (NSA) and bus stop names is one that really interests me. In heavily built up areas like the West Midlands, it’s relatively straightforward to name bus stops after nearby road junctions or recognisable landmarks.

    I believe it is local authorities that are responsible for maintaining NAPTAN bus stop data within their areas, and one thing that Transport for West Midlands have been doing in recent years – presumably in anticipation of NSAs becoming mandatory – is to eliminate ‘duplicate’ stop names, or to alter stop names so they don’t conflict with the road that the bus is travelling on. And in some cases they’ve had to change a stop name because the ‘recognisable landmark’ (usually a pub!) no longer exists there.

    Which is all very well and good, as the revised stop names in the NAPTAN database end up in online timetables and journey planners.

    The issue though is that sometime TfWM themselves are a bit slow at getting the bus stop flags updated to reflect the new name, and then of course bus operators have to get the audio announcements updated as well.

    For this kind of system to work effectively and benefit passengers, especially those making unfamiliar journeys, there has to be consistency between what is shown on the bus stop, what is shown on journey planners and timetables, and what is announced/displayed on the bus itself.

    And yes, in more rural areas, where you may not have an actual road ‘name’, so you’re more reliant on ‘landmarks’, it would help if the stop name could be more specific! Imagine being on a rural bus route that passes through several villages, and there are three stops named ‘Telephone Box’ (in different villages), which one do you get off at?

    The bigger problem though, which you alluded to, is that its all very well and good having NSA installed on buses, but the equipment is often unreliable and fails regularly. Not just National Express round here, but other operators like Diamond and Landflight.

    Stu, WMBU

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  34. I couldn’t agree more with your comment about the Secretary of State for Transport. I often wonder if she really believes what she says.

    I live in a Southwestern Railway area. Since nationalisation I’m aware that Service levels are down, service reliability is down and delay repay claims are up. I don’t know about the finances around the service, but I have my suspicions.

    She also said that trains would not be repainted into GBR livery until they were due a repaint. She has been pictured in front of an Avanti train in GBR livery and due to their short time in service, there can’t be a single train due a repaint.

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    1. Do you mean a Arterio as avanti aren’t GBR yet? And yes I definitely agree with you and Rodger she hasn’t got a clue.

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  35. Piccadilly Line closure: TfL’s sign fails to mention that the Elizabeth Line option is more expensive than the Piccadilly Line (there is a premium on single fares to Heathrow Airport Elizabeth Line stations that is higher than the standard zonal fare)… unless they have decided to suspend the premium during the closure? And in any case, “Cockfosters to Uxbridge” implies that the Heathrow branch from Acton Town is still open… and Acton Town can be reached via the District Line. It is almost as though TfL is trying to profit from Piccadilly line closures!

    (This would not be the first time: several years ago, when some lifts at Kings Cross St Pancras underground station were closed, TfL advised people who required step-free access to get the bus from Farringdon, and failed to mention the faster option of getting Thameslink from Farringdon to St Pancras International, where the lifts to/from the Thameslink platforms were still operational… presumably because fare revenue from Thameslink services is allocated less favourably from TfL’s perspective?)

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  36. Reading Buses route 17 does a U turn at Wokingham Road and the same at the Bear Inn (Water Tower), albeit with a large pigeon dropping in the road (aka mini roundabout)

    steve

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  37. Hi Roger,

    I have to say I agree with you about Heidi Alexander and the DfT. A reel recently appeared on my Facebook feed bragging about how SWR now have 53 out of 90 Arterio trains in service and how short formations are down 26% as a result. Of course, it said nothing about the fact that all 90 should of been in service several years ago and that a lot of the short formations were due to the Dft’s insistence that SWR get rid of more stock than they had coming in.

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  38. You’re very unlucky with GWR delay repay. I live on their route and claim fairly often, they’re by far the fastest operator to review and pay (nearly always within 48 hours for each step, an extra day if they’ve had major meltdown), and nearly always approved with no funny business. Maybe it’s because I have a regular profile, who knows.

    CrossCountry are much slower but do tend to pay up. I recently had to appeal one twice but in fairness it was more complicated than usual; one from earlier this month was approved first time.

    GTR are slow but do pay up without much hassle. LNR are atrocious from every angle. I’ve been waiting ages for a simple clear-cut claim from them. C2C take the award for worst in my experience, I had to threaten to take them to court before they paid up.

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  39. I worked at Manor House offices in the late 70s and early 80s. It was a fascinating building, largely unchanged from horse tram days, even with the horse tram depot track fan mostly intact underneath the offices.

    The U turn at Manor House was introduced when trolleybuses replaced trams on routes 53, 59 and 79. London Transport and subsequently TfL have been trying to remove this U turn for at least half a century and now they have finally succeeded.

    The only value of route 349 was to boost capacity on routes 149 and 279 between Seven Sisters and Edmonton Green, so its removal does make sense, so long as the remaining service is adequate for the demand. Cutting route 259 back also raises concerns over capacity on the remaining routes.

    Merging routes 259, 279 and 349 into two services does simplify the service provision, and TfL state this to be a benefit of the changes. For some reason, the same logic does not apply to the plan to split routes 19 and 38 into three routes, which seems to me to be more about a steady programme to split up the big trunk routes.

    Bob

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  40. On the subject of stop names and destinations, for many years buses terminating at Palmers Green Garage, logically, displayed this as the destination. Someone worked out that buses didn’t actually stop outside the garage (it’s about 50 yards away down a side street) and changed it to ‘Palmers Gren Cock’, the “Cock’ being the pub adjacent to the garage. When this became a rather gaudy nightclub called ‘Manhattans’ the qualifier was changed to “North Circular Road’.

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  41. Many years ago my daughters were booked on an early evening train from Euston to Preston. The WCML was suffering from delays due to an earlier fatality at Milton Keynes. A refund (which I didn’t even apply for) was paid within about a week.

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