Thursday 20th February 2025
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A new bus station opened in Gosport last October and I finally got round to paying a visit last Friday to take a look.

It’s been built alongside the old site which, after 52 years, had definitely seen better days, and, like its predecessor, is conveniently located next to the pier used by the Gosport to Portsmouth ferry.

The old site is now boarded up awaiting demolition before becoming the first stage in Gosport Borough Council’s grand plans for a “People’s Park” which will “create a new multi-million-pound waterside development with shops and a bandstand area.”

The new bus station is on the site of the former taxi rank at Falkland Gardens…

… and reportedly cost £5.9 million funded by a contribution from Gosport Borough Council and the previous Government’s Transforming Cities Fund which saw nearly £56 million jointly awarded to Hampshire County Council, Portsmouth City Council and the Isle of Wight Council.
Talk of a new bus station as part of a major scheme to “boost Gosport’s waterfront off the High Street” dates back as far as 2012 so it’s good to see something finally delivered on the ground.

There are six departure bays which is more than enough for First’s five bus routes on the peninsula which all operate to Fareham. High profile Eclipse branded routes E1 and E2, which use the busway, depart from A and B respectively; route 9 departs from D, route 5 is on E and route 11 leaves from F. Stand C is currently bus departure less.

A real time information board on the outside at one end of the large bus shelter shows upcoming departures, with another display at both ends inside the shelter.

There’s a bespoke display above each stand too, which was difficult to photograph in the bright sunshine….

… and there are printed departure listings for each stand

As you can see, facilities for passengers are pretty limited with…

… a basic narrow bench style seat along the back panel…

… and a small perch on the other panel by each stand.

The manoeuvring area for buses, as they pull away from the stands, is quite generous and looks like it could accommodate some ‘laying over’ space but I doubt it would ever be needed.

Interestingly, First Bus had been paying £16,300 annual rent to Gosport Borough Council for a lease giving use of the parking and manoeuvring area of the old bus station as well as “rights” for passengers “to use defined areas within the adjacent bus station building”. As most of the land at the new site has public highway status a tripartite agreement has been made between the Borough Council, First Bus and Hampshire County Council that instead of having a lease, First will pay departure charges to the extent the annual income to Gosport will continue at £16,300.

It might have been better to just put six (or perhaps, five) nice bus shelters along the roadside and First could have saved itself 16 grand and a good proportion of the £5.9 million used on something else.
Goodbye 1

Hot on the heels of TfL squeezing nine buses out of bus provision between Elephant & Castle, Camberwell Green, Brixton and Morden (it’s 45/59/118 scheme introduced on 1st February) comes another reduction in service provision this Saturday, when route 414 is withdrawn without replacement. It runs between Putney Bridge and Marble Arch supplementing long standing route 14 over the same section of route via Fulham, South Kensington and Knightsbridge as far as Hyde Park Corner with the short stretch up Park Lane to Marble Arch covered by a multitude of other routes.

Introduced in 2002 in the Ken Livingstone congestion charge/bus expansion era, route 414 originally continued via Edgware Road and Warwick Avenue to terminate at Maida Vale but was cut back to Marble Arch in a previous round of Central London bus service reductions in 2021.

Now its 16 buses, which provide an eight minute frequency on the five mile route, will be withdrawn with a few being deployed to improve route 14s frequency from every 10 to every eight minutes.
Goodbye 2

Stagecoach’s route AB1 disappeared last weekend. It was heralded as a “world first” when introduced back in May 2023 using autonomous buses between Edinburgh Park and the Ferrytoll Park and Ride site. Now, it would seem, there’s no longer a need for such an innovative, “global leading” trial. The service had been reduced to an unattractive hourly frequency last October with a five minute turnaround at each end.

Blog reader Roy told me he took a ride on Tuesday of last week (see above photos) and the bus was in manual mode, with no autonmous driving, so only one member of staff (the driver) was on board. Five passengers were on the journey Roy took at 13:30 and he adds there was no timetable on display at Edinburgh Park. One isn’t needed any more.
More autonomous trials are set to start in Sunderland in the next few weeks by the same consortium that ran the road-sweeper lookalike contraption in Milton Keynes in November 2023. But this time I understand the idea is for the vehicle to be truly driver-less and for the vehicle to be under the control of a remote control centre, which will be interesting. There are also plans to trial “up to 13 self-driving shuttle buses around the West Cambridge Innovation District as part of a new sustainable transport pilot scheme supported by the University of Cambridge” and costing £17.4 million.
Roger French
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£6 million for an elongated bus shelter and an electronic departure board telling you everything is going to the same place seems an awful lot of money to me. No other facilities whatsoever! And, regardless of who operates the buses, why should they have to pay departure charges? Dustcarts are operated by private companies but not charged for picking up rubbish!
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Council tax payers pay for waste collections, bus operators contribute towards the maintenance and upkeep of council infrastructure to which they have priviledged access to run their businesses. Quite simple really.
Steve
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The 414 became irrelevant once it was cut to Marble Arch, with the 14 duplicating the route from Putney Bridge to Hyde Park Corner, so not a surprise the 414 is being withdrawn.
SM
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GMPTE in Greater Manchester used to claim the right to charge operators for use of ordinary roadside bus stops throughout a route, in addition to station departure charges. AFAIK the threat was never implemented.
Robin Bence
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Anyone planning to visit Gosport for the first time is well advised to visit the former railway station, now an excellent residential conversion. This was the way HM Queen Victoria reached Osborne before Prince Albert got the navy to knock a hole in the dockyard wall so that the track could reach the waterside.
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Personally anything labelled a “bus station” should provide basic services such as toilets. I presume there’s at least one for the drivers?
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There is no toilet for the drivers in the new bus station and apparently this is one of the reasons for the strikes by Hoeford Depot.
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There were free public facilities next to the ferry office last time I was there. Not sure how “reliable” they are.
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There are free toilet facilities next to the new Gosport Bus Station . . . and they are much nicer than the old ones in the old bus station!!
Bus Station departure charges are made in very many locations around the country. In many cases they are levied by the local Council and collected by the lead operator (if there are several operators using the site). Said charges will be recouped by the council maintaining the facilities (cleaning; litter-picking; graffiti removal and so on). I suspct that where a bus station is particularly grotty, it is because there is no formal agreement for users to pay departure charges, so no-one accepts responsibility.
Intalink (Hertfordshire) do not charge operators to “use the stops” . . . that would be nearly impossible to enforce. They do, however, charge operators to post timetable information, through an annual subscription (for the Intalink website) and an individual “per stop” charge . . . this used to be about £5 per stop, although this was 15 years ago!!. This also provides for regular visits by a contractor to clean the flag and timetable case. In my view this was (and is) well worth the payment . . . perhaps if other councils took the same view, we’d have better timetable information at bus stops!! You don’t get something for nothing!!
I understand that the strikes at Hoeford Garage are more to do with erosion of schedule agreements and a poor pay offer . . . the two sides seem to be disinclined to talk to each other.
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It’s a pity the electronic departure board at Gosport says “Fareham Bus Station” against every single departure. True but unhelpful. It should have a second line for each saying “via…”. Also drivers are unhappy about lack of rest room facilities at the new Gosport Bus Station, the main bone of contention sparking recent strikes.
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Due to the way the bus station is built it is very awkward for buses coming down the normal way to the bus station to turn right into it against the traffic flow.
Therefore a bus only road across a pedestrian precinct had to be built so buses could actually come in from the left hand side!
I was at the Bus station on New Years day enjoying the Free Ale & Ride service by the Provincial Society.
It was damp & raining & rather windy with sea winds coming through the bus station from the ferry side. Already slightly vandalised it is nothing more than a poor glorified bus shelter!
The public toilets nearby aren’t exactly brilliant but just about ok. However I am lead to believe shut in the evening!
Common sense would be to keep one toilet ‘reserved’ by a special key/lock that only bus drivers can use at night.
But then again we are talking about Gosport Borough council & First bus! 😇😉
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‘New’ bus station at Gosport Ferry?
That site, to the north of the footpath to Gosport Ferry, is pretty much exactly where Provincial (G&F O Cº) buses departed in the 1950s and 1960’s.
This photo of EOR 251 on sale on eBay, this of FHO 604 on Facebook and this overhead view from the Provincial Enthusiasts Website, give a good indication of the original bus stands.
Note the BTC-owned Hants&Dorset low-bridge Bristol lurking in the background of the first photo, above. They had their own separate stand.
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Bus services in Gosport have become very poor indeed . As a kid growing up there in the sixties and seventies I can recall plentiful bus services around the estates of the town and a well used bus station.Asda even ran free buses to their Superstore too . Now huge areas of the town either have no bus service at all , or a very limited daytime only service , and sadly the High St like many towns is a ghost of what it once was .
Seems First Bus are only really interested in the E1 and E2 services along the busway .
How the locals must wish they had Provincial back !!
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anon 11:49 highlights the paradox. Gosport and its High Street IS a sad echo of its previous vibrancy. Therefore, it’s perhaps not surprising that the secondary services have declined so that the main E1/E2 are the only really viable routes. Gosport bus station had decayed to such an extent that it was a grubby, miserable and oversized place to wait for a bus. Its demise isn’t being much mourned. The new one is more appropriately sized though the shelter from the elements is clearly poor. As for facilities, there are public toilets at the ferry terminal, and there are two cafes across the road.
BW2
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Not knowing the area, if Gosport Highstreet is no longer attractive enough to support the old services around the estates, I am wondering where people go instead? If they go to Fareham should there not be feeder services from the estates to connect with Eclipse? Or if people go to Portsmouth should there not be feeder services to the ferry interchange?
Peter Brown
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It’s a peninsula: peninsular is an adjective.
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Closure of the old bus station has also brought about closure of the Tourist Information Centre without replacement. https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/people/gosport-tourist-information-office-closes-4808832
Run by volunteers, it was well stocked not only with info and books on local attractions, but also publications from The Provincial Society. And where operators provided them, bus timetables too!
KCC
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Roger It is with great envy that I keep reading in your excellent blogs of the improvements in bus stations throughout the country. In Hereford our council is proposing to spend £10million to create an interchange with the railway station and are providing 4 bus stands to accommodate the existing 10 services which terminate there and the 20 services which currently terminate at the Country Bus Station and Shire Hall. There will be insufficient layover spaces and they propose to flatten the Country Bus Station on which they have just spent £280,500 refurbishing stands so that they can build a multi storey car park. The ironic thing is that Powys are proposing to support another 2 services to bring Welsh passengers to Hereford for shopping etc. Rail and Bus for Herefordshire objected at the public enquiry but our objectiopn was overuled. Regards Andrew PearsonSecretaryRail and Bus for Herefordshire
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Building a new town centre multi storey car park in place of a bus station. The opposite of all the greenwash messaging about “leaving the car at home”, declaring a climate emergency blah blah.
Councils are stuck in their car centric ways, letting developers build car dependent low density sprawl, and encouraging traffic congestion by encouraging people to drive to the town centre. Wrong on so many levels.
Peter Brown
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I am quite surprised that Gosport’s bus passengers have only Fareham, Fareham, Fareham or Fareham as a choice of destination.
The map on First’s website, dating from 2022, shows an X5 running from Gosport (via Fareham) to Southampton: East_Hants_Network.ai Clearly that is out-of-date as the timetable on the same website shows the X5 running to Portsmouth instead. Quite remarkable, really, that the link between Southampton and Portsmouth appears to have been strengthened (with the X5 added to the existing X4) even though the cities are linked by rail, yet Gosport without any rail links now has no direct bus to Southampton – or anywhere other than Fareham.
Malc M
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It was actually myself that pushed for the X4/X5 to change, and indeed we delivered this around a year ago. The X4 had become every 40 minutes, so by pushing both the X4 and X5 to Portsmouth gave a much more attractive frequency between the two.
The X5 was of limited use from Gosport, as it was far quicker to catch the E1/E2 to Gosport and then change in any case. The old X5 route as far as Fareham is now covered by the new 5.
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@Anon 09:55 – thanks, interesting to note.
It is disappointing that the map on First’s website hasn’t yet caught up with the change, thus giving information that is no longer correct.
Looking at the current timetables for the E1/E2 and 5, while it would indeed be quicker as you say to change at Fareham onto the E1/E2, by the time you factor in the time (and inconvenience) of having to change bus, the time saving may be 10-15 minutes.
With the direct link now removed, is a £3 single fare available between Gosport and Southampton, allowing a change of bus at Fareham?
Malc M
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As a resident of Gosport, I also cannot fathom how the council has spent so much money on a glorified bus shelter. If the wind is in the wrong direction, the shelter is useless, as I can testify. It has ale=ready been vandalised because it appears to lack CCTV which I would have thought was essential these days, and to cap it all, one of the stands is apparently unusable according to several drivers because of the design.
Moral: never let Gosport council anywhere near transport infrastructure projects. I dread to think what will appear on the old bus station site; I expect it to be over priced and under specified……
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On the basis of comments above, the councils running both Gosport and Hereford are incompetent. I wonder if there are any anywhere which are wholly respected. Mine doesn’t have public committee meetings any more, they are video-only available live or by playback. The skill of whoever controls the equipment is poor and the audio quality even worse. Most of the councillors are repetitive wafflers incapable of keeping to the point or making cogent ones. Not just incompetent elected members, a previous chief executive declared himself redundant on retiring, even though he was to be replaced by someone with the same title and job description, so he could collect a fat payoff as well as a handsome pension. The simultaneous change of party in control, from Labour (no surprise) to someone else, killed the corrupt wangle and the man concerned resigned from his professional accounting body before he could be kicked out.
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On one of my several jaunts to the Gosport peninsular I wound up in Fareham on 15/08/2014 and after drinks at a Fareham JDW had the good fortune to ride a Route 11 right down the A32 despite the Busway having already opened. The bus reached the old Gosport Bus Station via the Alverstoke Loop and what must have been the closed Naval Hospital at Haslar. RN Hospital Haslar has a sporting resonance with me. I corresponded with a RN Surgeon Commander a very long time ago and he had the decency to reply: this concerning medical matters relating to amateur boxing. The excellence of HM forces’ boxing tournaments can be easily viewed on the BFBS You Tube channel. Paratroopers Vs Marine Commandos are delicious amateur boxing delights to enjoy. Immaculate kit, all the protocols and regulations of civilian boxing with all military personnel wearing formal mess dress. In 2022 there was a tournament in the hangar of HMS Queen Elizabeth moored at Portsmouth.
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Peninsular v Peninsula. Not a distinction I’ve ever noted before, so nicely pointed out.
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