Tuesday 8th October 2024
Apparently I’ve become renowned for being “anti-DRT”. I can’t think why!
Let me clarify.
From a professional standpoint, DRT is a complete waste of public money – almost always costing more in subsidy than axed traditional bus routes due to them needing too much subsidy. Operationally, it’s hugely inefficient. From a passenger perspective it doesn’t offer reliability and consistency of delivery. But because DRT uses an App and is portrayed as a technological revolution, public officials and politicians become mesmerised and fall for the “state of the art, ground breaking, world leading, innovative solution” claims by the software peddlers.
But ….. from a personal point of view, I thoroughly enjoy my DRT journey experiences, usually having my very own delightful personal chauffeur to chat too who takes me along rural roads and through villages and hamlets that have been off limits to traditional bus routes for many years.
Part one of today’s blog is a great example of the latter. A true DRT adventure taking advantage of the wonderful service offered by this once-in-a-generation opportunity to travel across a county free of charge with your own chauffeur – because make no mistake, when the money runs out in a few years time, none of what I describe below will be possible.
Part One

When East Sussex launched its ten zone Flexibus branded DRT service across the county in May last year it occurred to me it would be interesting to attempt a journey from one side of the county to the other just using a DRT minibus across each of the zones along the way.

But the problem was the sections of ‘no man’s land’ between most of the zones meant the journey couldn’t be continuous, and also, you couldn’t book more than one journey at a time making for a very uncertain adventure.
So I abandoned the idea.
But earlier this summer the scheme was modified to do away with different zones and instead have one large geographic Flexibus area stretching from neighbouring West Sussex towns just across the border (eg East Grinstead, Haywards Heath, Burgess Hill and Hassocks) in the west across to Rye in the east, as well as up to Royal Tunbridge Wells and Pembury in Kent, in the north.

The only journey restriction being a single trip must be no more than 14 miles between its origin and destination ‘as the crow flies’. Otherwise, boundaries no longer exist.
It seemed a golden opportunity to resurrect the idea of trying to make a cross county journey from my hometown of Hassocks (just over the border in West Sussex, but served by Flexibus) across to Rye in the extreme east of the county. A distance of 40 miles (as the crow flies), which, if I worked out the steps carefully and used the 14 mile limit to the maximum could be done in just three DRT hops; ie three times 14 = 42 miles, giving me two miles leeway.
Flexibus doesn’t let you book a journey that can be easily taken on scheduled bus and rail services so I had to select two intermediate staging points for the journey away from existing frequent bus routes with direct connections. However, I didn’t want to risk going to isolated hamlets without public transport for fear of becoming stranded as Flexibus doesn’t let you book more than one journey at a time and I was worried I’d get an “all our vehicles are currently busy please try again later” response, or maybe there’d be no phone signal.
Looking at the map, I initially came up with the villages of Barcombe and Robertsbridge as potential mid point options making for a Hassocks-Barcombe-Robertsbridge-Rye trip.
There’s a handy function on an inter-active map on the Flexibus website where you can enter your origin point and it will show the 14 mile range for your journey. Here’s where I could travel from Hassocks (shown in green).

I realised I could get further east than Balcombe so selected Halland, a small hamlet south of Uckfield (with its main feature being a roundabout on the A22) as my first stop, which is 12.3 miles from Hassocks (as the crow flies). I booked a journey at 07:45 on the morning of the adventure (the app wouldn’t let me book anything the day before). The earliest departure available was 09:00 from Hassocks station – I subsequently found out you can rarely book a journey before 09:00 as parents and school children monopolise the bookings during the morning peak.

As I walked to the pick up point at Hassocks rail station wondering which side the bus would park, the app wasn’t particularly helpful, displaying a rather confusing diagram ….

…. but luckily I guessed right and found Dave, having just arrived, by the east entrance alongside the Brighton bound platform.

It was great to meet Dave again. I’d been his very first passenger on the inaugural day of Flexibus last year and he is thoroughly enjoying working on Flexibus. He’s one of three minibuses and drivers at CTLA Newhaven involved with FlexiBus with the other five vehicles provided by a community transport operator in East Surrey. East Sussex has recently introduced a new fleet of Mercedes minibuses on Flexibus with a driver operated door for passengers and a step which comes out – just as well as it’s quite a climb into the vehicle. Passengers in wheelchairs board using the tail lift.

There’s plenty of variety for Dave under the new one-zone arrangement as the eight minibuses work all over the County rather than the previous arrangement of being confined to just one zone. I think the new scheme has seen a reduction in the number of minibuses and drivers as previously there seemed to be at least ten on the road.

We had a great chat on the 45 minute (20.5 mile) journey over to Halland where we arrived at 09:45, after which Dave was off to Deanland Wood to take a passenger who’d booked a journey to Hailsham. It’s a retirement complex located off the A22 which used to be served by Compass Bus route 143 but now residents have Flexibus or three journeys to Hailsham and Eastbourne on a Tuesday and Thursday on Cuckmere Buses route 48.

The app wouldn’t let me book my onward journey from Halland while I was still undertaking a journey so having left Dave I set about booking journey number 2. Robertsbridge was more than 14 miles from Halland so instead I opted for Ninfield, 13 miles from Halland (as the crow flies) so just inside the limit.

I was struggling with the app. First it wouldn’t let me book a journey before 11:00…

… then it offered one in 10 minutes at 09:58 …

… then I lost the phone signal so having walked a bit further on and regained the signal decided to ring the booking line (based in Portsmouth with WeMove). It turned out to be my lucky day as Don was nearby just finishing a break and having his minibus checked over and the call centre advised it would be with me within 10 minutes, by 10:00.

I was a bit befuddled locating the pick up point by the roundabout but soon spotted Don arriving and climbed aboard for the next stage of my cross-County Flexibus adventure.

Don hadn’t long started driving for Flexibus having previously run his own taxi business in Crowborough and we had another great chat on the journey over to Ninfield.

That took half an hour, arriving at 10:30, for the 15.6 miles journey and Don suggested as he hadn’t got another booking until 12:45 with a pick-up in Bexhill, it could well be him who gets allocated for my third segment on to Rye.
Even though the online inter-active map was showing Rye was achievable in one hop from Ninfield (only just) …

… the app was telling me Rye was outside the zone…

… but another call to the call centre established a journey from Ninfield to Rye was indeed possible and sure enough Don, who was still parked nearby, gave me a toot and thumbs up as the call handler told me the booking had been confirmed with zero waiting time, and he’d also got the message on his in-cab tablet, so we were on our way over to Rye which Google maps tells me is 14.01 miles from Ninfield (as the crow flies), so just made it.

To cut this long story short, having passed through the delightful East Sussex town of Battle, the northern delights of Hastings, the villages of Guestling Green, Icklesham and Winchelsea we arrived in Rye an hour later at 11:30 having completed the 21 mile trip.

Two and a half hours and 57 miles after leaving Hassocks in three rides using my concessionary pass with no other passengers. That’s the beauty of DRT. Your own personal taxi service to explore a whole county.
If you know what you’re doing.

It felt like Don and I had become firm friends after our 90 minute journey together. As I left him, his in-cab tablet device pinged to tell him his 12:45 pick up in Bexhill was being reassigned and he was now being directed to Groombridge to take a passenger to Crowborough.
Groombridge is 33 miles and an hour’s travel time from Rye.
What a farce.
Part Two

Another DRT farce is currently playing out in Bristol with the Combined Authority’s WESTlink scheme, where licensed Private Hire cars are being used instead of minibuses in the Bristol North zone.
As highlighted in a recent blog the scheme across ‘Greater Bristol’ has also recently seen boundary changes to some of its zones including the Bristol North zone having its 12 seater minibuses replaced with new seven seaters “to see if the service can be run more cost effectively with smaller vehicles”.

However, all is not well with the changeover with BBC News reporting delays in getting the new vehicles licensed with South Gloucestershire Council and the Traffic Commissioner’s Office. Private Hire licensed saloon cars are being used as a temporary measure, which has understandably upset local taxi and Private Hire drivers who quite rightly see it as a publicly funded competitive service offering rides at £2 or free for concessionary pass holders. Which it is.

I thought I’d do a quick BusAndTrainUser Verify investigation into the story while in Bristol on Saturday morning before last, so after taking a look at the new Ashley Down railway station, I used the WESTlink app to order a ride from Bristol Parkway over to Avonmouth railway station – a journey also possible by train with a change at Bristol Temple Meads or a 46 minute direct bus journey on the half hourly Stagecoach operated routes 10/11.

I booked the pick up for 10:00 and was successful at the first attempt to get a ride confirmed with the vehicle already in the Avonmouth area and heading towards me as I took the train from Ashley Down via Filton Abbey Wood to Bristol Parkway.

The Mercedes saloon car arrived at 10:04 and teasingly parked just ahead of the queue of taxis waiting for custom outside the station.
I could feel the tension among the waiting taxi drivers.

There was someone in the back seat so I waited for them to get out…

… but with no movement it dawned on me they were a passenger continuing on and this was to be a shared ride, so opened the front door and sat in the front seat and off we went across north Bristol to Avonmouth which included a ride down the M5.

As we passed through the shops at Avonmouth, we dropped the back seat passenger off…

…and it was a short ride further on for me to be dropped off at the railway station.

The journey had taken 18 minutes.

WESTlink reckon the “vehicles may be smaller” but will “have a temporary WESTlink sign”. It didn’t.
It also states the change to seven-seaters “will take place over a couple of months from 2 September”. We’re over halfway through that timescale and no sign so far of the new vehicles and my driver on Saturday had no idea when they might arrive.

When WESTlink was introduced amid much fanfare in April last year it replaced many bus routes, withdrawn in favour of the benefits Mayor Norris foresaw from using a DRT set up. I doubt he envisaged saloon cars being used – albeit as a temporary measure – with their lack of accessibility and, in my view, completely unsatisfactory for shared riding with strangers.
Roger French
Blogging timetable: 06:00 TThS. (The next route 100 blog, due for posting last Saturday, is running late and will now appear in due course. This is due to blog uploading congestion.)
Comments on today’s blog are welcome but please keep them relevant to the blog topic, avoid personal insults and add your name (or an identifier). Thank you.

One of the next areas to succumb to DRT lunacy is Rutland, which from memory has the lowest number of passengers per head of population in England. Apart from two routes(R1 and 747) everything will be DRT with three electric minibuses abd five ordinary minibuses ,and a mobility hub at the local Hospital, nowhere near the town centre. The cost of this, £8.5m over two years. Passenger numbers will drop even further.
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Rutland, as a local authority is completely backwards. They refuse to put local buses onto Traveline because ‘out existing buses are too full and so advertising them on traveline would mean people being left behind’. At no point did it click to buy bigger buses or tender the service to another operator with larger vehicles or anything so the vehicle size works for the number of passengers. Nope, just make the number of passengers fit the size of the bus. Any other area would welcome the fact more people wanted to travel, not in Rutland. Bunch of planks in those council offices.
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As car access has spread, so there is a growing proportion of the countryside where the remaining “bus” demand is just too dispersed for even a seven-seat vehicle to be economically or environmentally sensible.
The one upside of the DRT trials has been to show that the scope for combining trips is very low and that the need is overwhelmingly for one driver moving one or occasionally two passengers (or couples) at a time.
Taxis are surely the least-bad way of fulfilling this thin (but often absolutely essential) demand. But of course you need to face up the need to define who gets a subsidized ride, and/or for what purposes, and no politician seems brave enough to do this.
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Absolutely agree with you. A taxi is a great alternative to using a larger vehicle and more cost effective delivering some evening “DDRT”services. I think a number of areas are looking at this with Uber.
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The website advises that it won’t pick you up if you live near a bus stop but what if that bus stop has an infrequent service or the bus doesn’t provide a service to your intended destination?.I am thinking about a journey from Jarvis Brook to Tunbridge Wells which is now possible only during school times since Compass withdrew the regular service. B & H Route 29 doesn’t serve Jarvis Brook. Would the DRT app allow you to book that journey I wonder ?
Martin W
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Booking a DRT trip is more of an unpredictable black art
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Deanland Wood is also served by Cuckmere buses service 48 on Tuesdays and Thursdays with 3 journeys linking it with Hailsham, Polegate and Eastbourne,
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Many thanks for that info; I’ll update the post.
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I live in a small village in Bath and N E Somerset. Although a busy commuter route runs through our village to Bath only 6 miles away, we became Casualties of the West of England Combined Authority’s ( WECA) wisdom…. the axing of our regular bus service and the introduction of its perceived panacea the WESTlink DRT.
The saga is worthy of something written by the Brothers Grimm.
It has made public transport access to Bath by some 10000 people at best tortuous, but mostly impossible.
Having personally given WESTlink many opportunities to persuade me otherwise it has continued on its downward spiral.
Your blog encapsulates precisely the appalling fiasco (not to mention shocking waste of public funds) DRT is at the expense of regular bus services. Yet somehow I understand that at its first 6 month review it somehow managed to secure yet more funding….. it beggars belief!
So, earlier this year I requested (through Freedom of Information) some statistics which would either prove most users perceptions or endorse the “wise” decisions of WECA leaders; so here they are, all averages based on the period 4/23 to 2/24:
So there we have it. Appalling performance figures all round at taxpayers expense and suffering,and I’ll venture as far as to say this is probably reflected wherever DRT is in service.
Is it me, or do I smell a rat here and should we be pushing for a proper review by government?
Clive T
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In the part of rural France we visit regularly people on income related benefits are given a number of vouchers for free (or heavily discounted) taxi trips to the nearest designated centre each month. Perhaps this is the least bad option?
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During a tidy up I’ve just found a March 2003 edition of Buses Magazine. There’s an article on a new bus service between Sandy and Biggleswade via Everton, Potton, Sutton, and some other villages, funded by Bedfordshire County Council using the I’ll fated Optare Aleros. This service ran from 0550 to to 0100 weekdays, with later start time at weekends. It connected with trains at either end with timed morning and evening connections for London commuters. It was funded with a grant of £550,000 from the Rural Bus Challenge for three years. Presumably after three years the funding vanished.
This looks far more useful than a DRT could ever be.
Despite their unreliability the Aleros looked like big MPVs (then in vogue) with a smart bronze livery and proved popular with the local communities served by the route.
Peter Brown
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The area now has a regular 6 day a week subsidised bus service. It’s gone through a number of recent changes but Grant Palmer services 72 and 190 cover much of the area.
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Hi Roger – here’s a potential challenge. You had a huge response to your blog on Sunday about “Integration”. Thinking about those responses (and your own thoughts, of course), does that link in any way to this blog on DRT provision? If not, then clearly DRTs do not help much with public transport integration….. CH, Oxford
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As an aside, I had to chuckle at the journey of 14.01 miles initially being refused – 0.01 miles is 17.6 yards (16.1 metres if you must). I wonder where the measurement is taken from anyway. Luckily a real live human could override this. So the computer retaliates by sending the driver on a 33 mile out-of-service trip ….. As you say, what a farce.
V Saltash
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Hopefully tge new Government’sdemand for economies from all departments will lead to these shocking use of public money schemes to be ditched and replaced regular bus routes even if they are minibuses running every 3 hours rather than this nonsense.
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Highly unlikely given the majority of schemes are being pushed by brain-dead labour councillors and supporters. Labour are the biggest wasters of money in local government. It will get a damn sight worse under these prats.
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@anon, 13:27
Did you check which political party is in control of the various authorities which have DRT schemes?
The West of England Combined Authority comes under an elected Mayor, who is indeed Labour.
Other DRT schemes that Roger has blogged about in the last year or so include the following councils, and which party is in control:
East Sussex: Conservative (minority)
West Sussex: Conservative
Surrey: Conservative
Hertfordshire: Conservative
West Berkshire: Lib Dem
Buckinghamshire: Conservative
Wiltshire: Conservative
Somerset: Lib Dem
Shropshire: Conservative
Cheshire West: Labour
Derbyshire: Conservative
Nottinghamshire: Conservative
Malc M
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Plenty, plenty more schemes than just these few you are listing.
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@anon 19:23 – no doubt there are. Would you care to list them?
Malc M
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I think you mean Barcombe (East Sussex), not Balcombe (West Sussex)!
Steven Saunders
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I do indeed. Now corrected. Thanks Steven.
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When public finances are stretched to the limit should experimental journeys be undertaken gratuitously? DRT is aimed at those who cannot use it! I am 71 and have no use for a mobile smart phone yet gladly do not need one. I know someone who still has a dial telephone in his home. I freely admit to having used my ENCTS pass gratuitously but never on DRT! My fun times were in my Go As You Please era [1972-1977] especially trips to my favourite bus garage (Dalston) on two evenings Route 9 one evening and Route 11 the next. There was always a more cheerful spirit from Dalston Garage conductors when compared with their counterparts from Mortlake Garage. If two 9s turned up together and there was a choice of garage I would always board the Dalston bus if it was behind a Mortlake one! Dalston was the best. Why did the Board or Executive trust their drivers with experimental single deck buses – flat fare et al! They knew as I did, Dalston was the best.
I get to Charterhouse School to watch football by public transport yet very often am provided with private motor transport in a car from deeply loved acquaintances so as to get home quickly.
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The 10/11 have only recently been re-extended to Bristol Parkway after quite a bit of lobbying both the bus company and WECA after it was withdrawn from Thornbury/Parkway in April 2023.
People near Parkway were left with a three a day parliamentary service which meant that stagecoach had to have a vehicle blocked out for most of the day.
Apparently Stagecoach have been trying to keep it going to parkway since it’s partial withdrawal for operation reasons as the depot is a two minute drive from Bristol Parkway but were refused by WECA from extending it as it would impact the commercial viability of the M4 metrobus.. Seems to have been fixed as it has been rerouted away from UWE.
-Dave
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I think the switch to 7 seaters or even cars in Bristol is actually a small move towards sanity. A move from a model which can never possibly make any sense (using 16 seaters to provide effectively a taxi service for one passenger and 15 empty seats) to one which in certain circumstances potentially can.
The reality is that this country already has an efficient and comprehensive nationwide DRT network which is tried and tested and fully commercially viable. It is called the taxi trade. The only issue is how expensive the fares have to be to make it viable. Therefore using some public money to subsidise those fares is potentially a useful and valid way to achieve transport and social policy objectives in certain contexts, and using app technology to achieve some occasional aggregation of journeys may also have a role to play in marginally reducing operating costs per passenger.
People would obviously have differing views on the appropriate extent and generosity of such a subsidised taxi scheme and how much public money should be spent on it, and these would be legitimate matters for political discussion. But the idea using 16 seater buses and PSV drivers to operate the service really is not a sensible matter for discussion, it is just bonkers.
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Your comment reminded my of a taxibus scheme I read about years ago in the Canadian city of Rimouski (Quebec).
Basically this small city replaced its fixed route bus network with taxibuses. They contracted the local taxi operators to provide the service. Passengers paid the standard bus fare and the city reimbursed the taxi operators up to an agreed rate. There were hundreds of virtual taxibus stops across the city so every neighbourhood had good coverage.
If local UK taxi trades cannot or will not LTAs could expand their SEN fleets, recruit drivers and operate on a similar model. Wiltshire has recently taken SEN transport in-house, and there are some smart 8 seater size vehicles on the road.
Peter Brown
https://www.pcp-ppc.ca/resources/city-of-rimouski-quebec-taxibus-demand-responsive-public-transit-model
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Pick Me Up Harlow
https://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/30th-august-1974/24/pick-me-up-for-harlow
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Quite apart from the appalling waste (and farce) of DRT as described both in the blog and subsequent comments, repeated endlessly by the majority over the last three years or so, surely the cost of switching or more usually reducing vehicles comes with a massive financial loss of it’s own?
I was always under the impression that once a vehicle becomes second-hand, even for a very short period, it loses 20-30% of it’s value. And in WESTlinks case, ALL vehicles have now been, or shortly will be, swapped for ordinary saloons costing yet more.
Of course, this added cost will be covered by the usual “smoke and mirrors” accounting by those responsible, so we presume true losses will remain ever more difficult to ascertain.
Terence Uden
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Stagecoach pull service 701 Brighton to Eastbourne after 6 months.
Peter Brown
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24637785.brighton-eastbourne-701-bus-route-cancelled-stagecoach/?ref=rss
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The one time I tried it from Eastbourne to Brighton the bus broke down at Kingston Ridge. Bus 10842 on 01/06/2024 refers. Nice run northbound on the A26 from Newhaven to Kingston Ridge then an immediate switch to a B&H bus from Heathfield came to my rescue.
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what DRT might show is where there are demand flows thus leading to more appropriate solutions for travel.
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I was wondering where on the DRT spectrum the water taxi service in Rotterdam is placed, when I tried it this week for a couple of miles, from the SS Rotterdam hotel ship into the centre.
I booked the service from the ship, (with convenient boarding from inside the ship, near the waterline, onto a pontoon), and the taxi arrived shortly after the stated 45 minute time. It had seating for about 8 people, and another individual and two couples got off and on at the stops before mine.
The standard fare of €5 was very reasonable. I assume the service is fairly well established, with around 60 designated calling points.
It was an interesting trip, perhaps not suitable for everyone, as the driver drove it like a speedboat, swerving around and crashing up and down onto waves, rather white knuckle style! But the model seems to work in that location.
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