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Saturday 10th August 2024

All is not well on a rural bus route in Bedford.

As you can see from the above headlines in last week’s trade press (Route One) and the Bedford Today online news website, a row has broken out between the respected locally based Grant Palmer bus company, Bedford Borough Council and Stagecoach.

Just the job for another investigation by BusAndTrainUser Verify.

Back in history Stagecoach used to run routes 125 and 126 north of Bedford but for the last 11 years the equivalent tendered route, numbered 25, has been in the hands of Grant Palmer. It runs between Bedford and Rushden via a number of villages in the former counties of Bedfordshire and Northamptonshire. During its tenure of the routes Grant Palmer states it’s invested in the service with new buses (it mentions four), contactless payment options and capped fares.

Here’s the tendered timetable which applied until 31st July showing an approximate hourly service from Bedford as far as Harrold via Oakley and then either Pavenham or Stevington with five journeys extended to Rusden via two different routes as shown on the above map.

With the tender contract coming to an end, the company gave notice to Bedford Borough Council it would run part of the route, including the busiest journeys on Mondays to Fridays, as a commercial venture from 1st August registering with the required notice a slimmed down timetable comprising six journeys between Harrold and Bedford, two of which commenced in early morning peak times at Sharnbrook.

Grant Palmer’s stance on the ensuing row is…..

….instead of discussing options with the bus company about ways in which journeys could continue through to Rushden serving villages such as Poddington as well as the provision of a Saturday service, perhaps through a de-minimus arrangement or a modified tendered timetable to the previous one, Bedford Borough Council went ahead and sought tenders for a similar timetable to that which had existed until 31st July, in the knowledge Grant Palmer’s registration was taking effect from 1st August and there’d be consequential duplication.

In the event, Stagecoach won the tender, but because invitations to tender and the resulting confirmatory award were finalised late in the day, it had insufficient time to register the service with proper notice and consequently is currently allowing free travel until the registration takes effect. I’m told the current position is “the registration for service 25 by Stagecoach continues not to be approved by the Traffic Commissioner”.

Grant Palmer’s upset arises not only from a publicly funded bus route competing with its risk taking venture of trying to run part of a rural route commercially but, in the short term that competition being providing free to passengers. The company is currently consulting lawyers about what legal redress it can take not least because it believes “the Transport Act 1985 precludes such an occurrence. Local authorities are subject to a duty laid down within that legislation ‘to conduct themselves as not to inhibit competition between persons providing or seeking to provide public transport services in their area’.”

On the other hand, Bedford Borough Council’s stance on the row is…

…. “Following the deregistration and change of the rural routes by Grant Palmer the council then had to speedily undertake a transparent tendering process in which Stagecoach has successfully been awarded some services in North Bedfordshire to ensure these villages continued to receive public transport.

Councillor Jim Weir, deputy mayor and portfolio holder for environment, said: “We are committed to providing high-quality public transport options for residents of Bedford borough. Our goal is to deliver outstanding service and we look forward to working with Stagecoach on the above services.”

The tendered route 25 timetable operated by Stagecoach

Looking at this situation dispassionately ….

… on the one hand one could commend Grant Palmer for taking an initiative to run part of a rural route commercially but on the other hand it’s timetable smacks of cherry picking not least there being no balancing return journeys from Bedford after 16:10 in the afternoon peak and what did it expect the Council to do to ensure the villages were served without impacting on the proposed commercial proposition.

The company’s investment claim of ‘four new buses for the route’ is pushing things a bit as the timetable only required two and although Grant Palmer have commendably been regularly buying new buses – two in each of the last four years – it’s not certain these were dedicated to the 25. They weren’t operating on the service yesterday.

I know that because I headed out to Bedford yesterday to take a look at what’s actually happening on the ground, expecting to find some much welcome busy buses on this rural bus route.

Route 25 buses depart from the bus station’s stand R which is one of the through bays on the west side. A poster in the shelter displayed the Grant Palmer departure times but there was no information about Stagecoach journeys.

The electronic display was showing departures by both operators.

I arrived in time to catch the 12:10 Grant Palmer departure. The next Stagecoach departure was 18 minutes later at 12:28.

The bus didn’t arrive until 12:12 coming in from a journey on route 74 from Hitchin (due in at 12:02).

The driver efficiently got myself and the three other concessionary fare paying passengers on board and we set off at 12:14 setting down one of the passengers just three minutes later at Linden Road.

Ten minutes later the second passenger alighted at Pavenham Park with the third passenger travelling all the way to Harrold, where we arrived still a few minutes late at 12:45. The bus immediately set off back to Bedford with no one on board.

The bus shelter at the terminal point in Harrold had a Stagecoach timetable on display but there was no reference to Grant Palmer’s service.

I wonder whether it had been covered by the Stagecoach display.

I waited in Harrold for the next Stagecoach departure back to Bedford – the 13:02, which is a ‘short’ out from Bedford and operates inwards via Stevington – there’s another Bedford bound Stagecoach journey at 13:17 which comes through from Rushden.

Harrold residents are spoilt for choice at lunch times – three journeys to Bedford within about half an hour (12:44, 13:02, and 13:17) with another Grant Palmer one half an hour after that as 13:44.

But it was a case of more buses than passengers, as I was the only passenger boarding the Stagecoach 13:02 departure (two had alighted as it arrived from Bedford) with one staying as she was taking a long way round return home to Stevington (doing it via Harrold), and after she alighted it was just me back to Bedford. I asked the driver how long he thought the free fares was going to last but he just explained it was all down to a row between Grant Palmer, the Council and Stagecoach.

Back in Bedford that bus left on its next journey to Rushden at 13:40 with a change of driver and four passengers but I was intrigued to see what would happen half an hour later at 14:10 when both a Grant Palmer and Stagecoach 25 are timed to leave simultaneously, albeit the latter operates via Stevington and continues to Rushden, but both buses serve Clapham, Oakley, Carlton and Harrold.

How, I wondered, would the hoardes of home going lunch time shoppers divide their loyalties between the two operators?

Grant Palmer’s bus arrived on the stand first, coming in at 14:04 from Ampthill (the 13:56 arrival on route 68).

But the driver needed a calming vape break and in the event didn’t jump back in the cab until 14:11 when he changed the blind to route 25.

Meanwhile the Stagecoach bus arrived on the stand at 14:10 so even though stopping behind the Grant Palmer bus got first dibs on all the passengers.

All three of them,

It departed at 14:12 followed immediately by Grant Palmer with no one on board.

I always caveat my analysis in these investigative travel experiences – they’re just based on a very small unscientific sample and should not necessarily be taken as representative of the overall picture. But …… in this case, on a lovely sunny Summer school holiday Friday, I’d have expected to see more passengers if there was a commercial proposition to be had, irrespective of any short term competition or free fares.

I’d recommend a rethink by Grant Palmer before any more costs are incurred, not least legal fees. It’ll take months if not years of revenue to recoup even just those.

Roger French

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32 thoughts on “BusAndTrainUser Verify

  1. The new GP timetable doesn’t seem a serious attempt at running a viable service. There are inwards buses from Stevington and Souldrop and no return service, two journeys into Bedford for commuters and no return after the 16.10. Were they trying to force the council to negotitate a contract with them rather than put the whole route out to tender and risk losing it?

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  2. It’s interesting to read the comments from local bus users on the Bedford Today website on on service and reliability offered by GP, assuming they are real customers!

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    1. Yeah – reading the comments about Sullivan’s TfL services is similarly illuminating. The general view seems to be TfL should have sacked them ages ago.

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      1. Looks to be a combination of issues with Sullivans. The probably under bid for the contracts in the first placed, They were failing to operate most of he service to the contract so were incurring penalties. They were failing to retain contracts whether that was down to price or their poor performance who knows

        The vast bulk of their work was TfL the only significant service left is the 84. The rest is just school journeys other than the Thorpe Park service

        Whether they can survive the loss of the TfL work remains to be seen they will need to do a lot of cost cutting

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    2. Grant Palmer seem to suffer really bad reliability. Doesn’t help that their timetables are quite tight and they cross network almost everything so a delay miles away can quickly snowball. Even if there isn’t a need for a delay, the drivers have no sense of urgency to go on time, look at Rogers experience, bus came in 6 mins before departure and still somehow left late as a vape break is more important. Any company that is in serious competition would be doing their upmost to get people onboard even if that is boarding people quite early, once they are on the bus, they aren’t going to swap to the other operator.

      Just basic things and GP seem to struggle. Would be interesting to see what a traffic commissioner roadside monitoring session would uncover.

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  3. Not sure GP has much of a case here. It’s actually illegal to take fares on a local bus route that is not formally registered.

    I wonder if the conversations at Bedford centred around whether providing these additional journeys would actually cost more than a fully tendered service and provide fewer journeys?

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  4. The Traffic Commissioners always used to be able to accept a short notice registration if it was replacing a deregistered service and was supported by the local authority. Is this no longer the case?

    And, tongue in cheek, surely in this case far from “failing in its duty not to inhibit competition” the council has fulfilled it completely!

    More seriously, when faced with this situation in Herefordshire I took the view that as long as the contracted operator was happy to do so, I would award the contract and continue the service “until we were certain that the commercial service was a serious proposition and would continue” which it never did.

    Jim Davies

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    1. I understand the Eastern Traffic Area are taking a harder line on short notice at the moment.

      Dave Harrison, Oxford

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      1. Also, and probably most pertinently, since Grant Palmer haven’t withdrawn their service, gave the LA full notice of their intention and there is clearly duplication of journeys on an already registered service the Licensing Office may well be refusing short-notice introduction of what is a partially competing service. Short-notice is always a privilege and not a right and too many councils have got used to the idea that they can just use short-notice submissions and don’t even try to get tenders completed in time for a normal submission (as has clearly happened in this case), something which the senior TCs have made public statements about a couple of times in the past.

        Dwarfer.

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    2. There is case law that refers to this kind of situation (albeit in the obiter); CT Plus v Black and ors which reached the EAT.

      This case concerned a tendered route (with CT Plus) that Stagecoach wished to operate commercially, and it was acknowledged by both sides that the correct position was to withdraw the tendered service – though sadly this was just ‘obiter dicta’ and didn’t get cited. The case went on to talk about TUPE.

      There are of course two issues here – one is public funds competing with private enterprise and the other is the free service which _could_ be seen to be predatory.

      James

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  5. The Grant Palmer service is registered isn’t it? I thought the the 1985 Act meant that a commercial service should always prevail and tendered routes infill what isn’t provided commercially. At least that’s how I approached these situations during my long career of 45 years on both sides of the fence, LA and with more than one operator. Don Benn

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    1. if you look at the before and after timetables and maps you’ll see that imfilling wasn’t possible. The situation is clearly of GP’s making and they need to grow up.

      Steve

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      1. It might have been possible to tender a service which infills what’s mising but doesn’t compete with the core service, by providing through journeys where GP isn’t (e.g. afternoon peak from Bedford) and connecting journeys for the villages and Rushden, interchanging with GP’s journeys at Harrold and Oakley, but it would be a very messy result.

        I think this sort of thing was done with Stagecoach route 67 between Winchester and Petersfield for a while but thankfully that route is back to a single operator again.

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  6. Grant Palmer has only registered Bedford to Harrold. The local authority is within its rights to provide a Bedford to Rushden service as this has been deregistered.
    There are plenty of examples where supported services parallel commercial ones for part of their route.

    Jim Davies

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    1. This does smack of Bedford council having fallen out with GP and undermining a route that may have been set up to spoil anyone else winning the tender. Shocking that this has been allowed to develop.

      Hard to know whether it is council officers not understanding how buses work or trying to undermine an operator. Either way it undermines the case for the public sector being in charge of local buses.

      Having said that GP appear to have got themselves into a pickle

      Gareth Cheeseman

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  7. You mention ‘three other concessionary fare paying passengers’ , but don’t concessionary pass holders travel free? Jeremy B

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  8. A situation which should not have happened. Grant Palmer have quite a network and have come to the rescue countless times, ironically filling in in many places such as Biggleswade, where Stagecoach have withdrawn gradually after dominating the area at one time. Without knowing all the facts, it does really seem the Traffic Commissioner should be stepping in here with a large helping of common sense. Why has this not happened?

    Who is paying for the loss of revenue on Stagecoach’s “free” service, and similarly, Grant Palmer would now have to give 56 days notice, whilst running near empty buses if wanting to withdraw!

    The services in question are deeply rural, and oddly have never provided an am peak service towards Rushden (wrong County) which hardly helps expand passenger numbers. Whilst I have always found Grant Palmer operation satisfactory, I did note on a recent Saturday journey (1410 ex Rushden) the Driver served the Pavenham route rather than Stevington, which was unfortunate.

    Terence Uden

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  9. I also noticed the two inbound journeys that lacked any returns on the new GP timetable. No one is going to travel if they can’t get back!

    Also, the new commercial service is inferior to the fully tendered service, but hey, it’s commercial so that’s alright!

    Peter Brown

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  10. The Grant Palmer registration was clearly just a spoiler designed to disrupt the tendering process for the North Bedfordshire rural network.

    It is a bit rich of them to then winge when the LTA don’t play their game. They should accept the situation and focus more on addressing their reliability and dreadful reputation on social media.

    However, there does seem to be an administration issue with the Eastern Traffic Commissioner in accepting short notice registrations. (The same happened recently in Flitwick, which resulted in a temporary loss of service to residents).

    In this instance there should have been no issue as the Stagecoach registration substantially replaces a service which another operator has ceased – specifically allowed for by form PSV350A.

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  11. Certainly looks like Grant Palmer have dropped the ball on this one.

    The sensible thing to have done would have been to let the tender end and then seen what Beds CC put out to tender. With prior knowledge of revenue/passenger data the price that GP could submit I would imagine would have been a winning one – unless Stagecoach are seriously undercutting prices which is unlikely. Perhaps an option for keeping the revenue and just tendering for a top up would have kept the network and kept Stagecoach out. Hard to tell how cooperative or not Beds CC are being but in these financially strapped times I’m sure they would negotiate.

    Richard Warwick

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  12. Companies House says they made £800,000 profit year ending 2022 with £3M in the bank, so they can afford to keep this up for a long time

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  13. My sense (from a Procurement background) is that GP were hoping to avoid a tender process. Register some commercial journeys and then negotiate over de minimis subsidy to run a broader service. As I think Roger suggests. It’s a smart strategy if the contracting authority plays ball and is happy with you as a service provider.

    But I would expect the procurement guys (for sure) at Bedford Council to be somewhat indignant over that strategy. I would be. So they tendered anyway! Sends a message to other operators too. Even if this specific option were marginally more expensive. If GP’s quality has been poor then even more incentive to take this stance; and possibly partly why GP might have hoped to avoid a tender in the first place.

    I saw some comments on negotiating above. Might make sense. Worth remembering though that public procurement rules restrict ability to do that, in theory. At the very least (depending on tender procedure used) it has to be done in a way that is fair for all bidders or even potential bidders.

    Interesting situation.

    Stephen

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  14. Looks like the LA is largely responsible for this mess by not starting the tendering process in good time. After all it shouldn’t have come as a surprise that the existing contract was about to expire!

    Perhaps this then effectively ceded the initiative to the incumbent operator (GP) to decide what would happen when it expired. They could only deregister with the statutory notice, or carry on in some form.

    In the absence of any communication from the LA only they could make that decision. Whether they made the right one seems unlikely however.

    I don’t blame the Commissioner for refusing short notice authorisation as the situation was entirely foreseeable by the tendering authority. Perhaps they have learned a costly lesson?

    17A

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  15. Surely the TC should consider the interests of the travelling public over penalising the local authority for supposedly not foreseeing the problem when deciding whether to accept a registration?

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    1. Local authorities can’t really not accept a registration – there’s hardly any grounds where they can object.

      In practice, the 28 days is merely a notification period.

      Dave Harrison, Oxford

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      1. Local authorities may “accept” (ie not object to) a registration but it is the Commissioner who authorises it’s introduction and agrees or declines short notice.

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  16. “FREE FARES” reminds me of the early days of deregulation. Harry Blundred of Devon General muscled in on the Oxford bus market with Thames Transit minibuses. COMS retaliated by sending a small fleet of white single deckers to run a free service along Torbay sea front. I wonder how long that lasted. What did last was Blundred’s “Oxford Tube” now shown on the Harris London Bus Map.

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  17. Dear Roger, My wife and I lived at Knotting Green between 1993 and 2010, so your visit to investigate the row between Grant Palmer, Stagecoach and Bedford Council is of great interest to me.  During the the years leading up to our leaving the area and moving to the Isle of Wight, Stagecoach operated route 125 from a two bus, three driver outstation of their Bedford Depot based in Rushden.  There were 4/5 journeys Mon-Sat in each direction.  Until they were withdrawn in 2009, minibuses were mostly used but Darts had taken over in the year or so before we left. Route 125 was always lightly used north of Harrold but served a purpose as many long standing residents of the north Bedfordshire villages look to Rushden, across the county border in Northants, for shopping etc.  Indeed, some of our neighbours rarely visited Bedford.   Things took a while to settle after Stagecoach withdrew in 2011 and, for a time, Knotting was only served by a daily minibus, operated by a Bedford Borough Council vehicle, between Yelden and Sharnbrook where passengers had to change to reach places further afield.  However, it was not long before the Grant Palmer services (renumbered 25) that have applied until last month bedded down and continued almost unchanged for some years.  During my final year in the area, I was Chairman of the Bedford Area Bus User’s Society (BABUS) and met Grant Palmer personally on a few occasions; indeed he was the guest speaker at our AGM shortly before I moved away.  He lives near Sharnbrook and certainly knows the district well.  I understand that, in subsequent years, he expressed the view privately to one of my former committee colleagues that he believed it would be possible to operate the Bedford to Harrold portion of the 25 on a commercial basis.  Clearly, though, this would be unlikely to apply if running in opposition to a council subsided rival service.  The present situation is a complete mess and surely cannot last long in its present form. Stagecoach also won the tender to operate former Grant Palmer routes 27, 28 and 28A from 1st August but have sub-contracted operation of these to minibus operator A2B Travel.  We live in interesting times. Yours sincerely John YunnieMembership Secretary/TreasurerIW Bus & Rail Users’ Group  

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