Thursday 16th May 2024

This week has seen Stagecoach South East re-enter the Brighton-Eastbourne market competing directly with both Brighton & Hove (B&H) and Southern Rail in East Sussex while in neighbouring West Sussex, B&H’s sister company, Metrobus, has revved up its route 273 to better serve the Crawley-Brighton market.

The Stagecoach South East initiative is a new Eastbourne based Monday to Saturday daytime hourly route 701 linking that genteel coastal town with Seaford, Newhaven and Brighton. And yes, Brighton & Hove has been successfully providing a high profile, up to nine-buses-an-hour, Coaster branded route along this corridor enjoying spectacular growth in passengers over many years on its routes 12/12A/12X, but the 701 does add something different.

Instead of continuing west along the A259 coast road after Newhaven, it heads north along what has been a bus-less A26 for many years before joining the A27 at Beddingham…

… then taking the by-pass avoiding Lewes…

… and entering Brighton past the Universities at Falmer and Moulsecoomb along the A270 to terminate at the Old Steine.

It’s a four bus operation commencing as early as 05:40 from Eastbourne to enable a first journey back from Brighton at 07:30. Oddly the last journey is as early as 16:25 from Eastbourne which forms the 18:30 back from Brighton.

That’s the downside of an Eastbourne based route operating an 85 minute journey and why, in history, the Brighton Eastbourne corridor was always operated from Southdown’s bus garages at both ends of the route in Brighton (which passed to B&H on its formation in 1986) and Eastbourne (as well as Seaford, but that’s showing my age).

Stagecoach inherited Southdown’s Eastbourne and Seaford based operations on the route when it bought the company in 1989 but sold these on to B&H in 2005 along with its Lewes based services.
In more recent years B&H has operated the route from its expanded Newhaven base as well as an outstation in Eastbourne, which ironically sees its buses stabled at the Stagecoach bus garage in the town which it acquired after buying Eastbourne Buses in 2008.
I imagine Stagecoach will say it’s aiming to attract students at Sussex and Brighton Universities living in Eastbourne, Seaford and Newhaven to use route 701 as an alternative to Southern Rail’s frequent trains linking those towns with university buildings at Falmer and Mousecoomb. That’s not going to be easy with the train offering far more attractive journey times and discounted travel for students. And if you’re going for the student market with a new bus route you start it in September, not the middle of May!

Interestingly, Stagecoach tried a similar venture way back in 1995 and 1996 with a route 714 running from Eastbourne to Newhaven and then via Bedingham to Brighton but even though it also included Lewes rather than the by-pass (by absorbing a Lewes Brighton short journey on route 28 which Stagecoach ran at that time), it failed.
There’s no doubt Stagecoach will be expecting route 701 to cream off passengers enjoying the “turn-up-and-go” aspect of B&H’s offering along the route east of Newhaven which I recently reported has been enhanced with a fleet of brand new buses offering great comfort on board and a high profile livery.

Is this the start of a new aggressive stance from Stagecoach South East looking enviously over its south western flank at what B&H is achieving?
Or is it a reflection of being a bit miffed from a Bus Service Improvement Plan funded foray last year when B&H successfully gained the East Sussex County Council tender and extended its Brighton-Lewes route every half hour over to Hailsham and then down into Eastbourne along a busy corridor served by Stagecoach bus routes?

I took a ride from Brighton to Eastbourne and back on route 701’s first day on Monday and naturally numbers travelling comprised a few first-day-bus-route-riders-ticking-the-box-to-say-they’ve-done-it as well as curious and puzzled looks from passengers at bus stops along the way who, in some cases, the driver persuaded to come on board and give it a try.

We left Brighton at 10:30 heading up the Lewes Road towards Falmer with three of us intrepid first day explorers on board and just one joining as we inched our way passed every stop along Lewes Road at a crawl hoping for custom. Another first day try-outer joined at the A27 Ashcombe roundabout (having alighted from the Brighton bound bus) who travelled to Newhaven, and after that it was non stop for the next 15 minutes along the Lewes by-pass, the A27 and A26 to Newhaven, where after calling at the station, the next ten minutes is spent doing a complete rounder of the town’s one-way circuit including looping into the Lower Place bus stops and then another loop over at Denton Corner to serve another bus stop before heading east on the A259 to Eastbourne.

It’s a bit confusing for passengers with buses in both the Brighton and Eastbourne direction doing the circuit and serving the same bus stops including at Lower Place where traditionally only eastbound buses have called but now you can travel to Brighton from here – and just to add to the interest Stagecoach 701 buses are timed to almost meet there as happened on the journey I took with the Brighton bound bus arriving (photographed below) as we left towards Eastbourne and two B&H Coaster buses bound for Seaford and Eastbourne there too.

Some of us on board wondered about the logic of what comes across as a tortuous bit of route which, with Newhaven’s notorious traffic challenges (including a swing bridge and level crossing) seems to ‘take for ever’ and whether a more attractive option would be to go via the B2109 and serve the Paradise Park leisure park and garden centre instead of Newhaven town centre which, after all, does have B&H’s frequent services (nine buses an hour on the 12/12A/12X to Brighton and Seaford and six an hour to Eastbourne) and Southern Rail to Falmer and Moulsecoomb.
However, two tourists bound for Seven Sisters did join at Newhaven station with another two joining in Seaford who interestingly eschewed the 12X immediately in front of us.

Perhaps they’d have been better off on the 12X with its next stop audio/visual announcements as they missed their desired Seven Sisters stop on our display and announcement-less bus and got taken on to the next stop at Friston Pond, almost two and a half miles further on. Another passenger travelled from Denton to Seaford; with others to Eastbourne having boarded in Newhaven, Seaford and Eastbourne Old Town making for 13 of us on the journey in total.

We arrived into Eastbourne’s Cornfield Road just after the scheduled 11:55.

That’s 85 minutes. The journey time from Brighton to Newhaven Lower Place is 46 minutes and from there to Eastbourne 39 minutes.
Brighton & Hove’s every-20-minutes 12X takes 35 minutes along the A259 from Brighton Station to Newhaven (just 26 minutes from the Old Steine) and from there to Eastbourne the same 39 minutes as the 701. The all stops and circuit of Seaford, every-20-minutes, 12A, takes 94 minutes from Brighton Station and coincidentally 85 minutes from the Old Steine.

With Brighton & Hove having the advantage of both frequency and journey time, and for those passengers who are not paying the £2 fare or using concessionary passes, probably have the loyalty of a Brighton & Hove Saver ticket, it’s hard to see where Stagecoach are going to gain the custom needed to fund a four peak vehicle operation.
The 701 doesn’t run on Sundays which can be a very busy day for leisure passengers during the summer months on this popular corridor, although I appreciate not many students are out and about at Falmer that day.
The return journey I took from Eastbourne at 12:25 was quieter with just seven passengers at various points along the route.
The 701 appeared on some, but not all, of the real time signs along the route…

… and there were no printed timetables available although I overheard the driver tell one passenger they’re being printed.
It’s certainly an interesting development and a bit of a surprise as there’s no doubt B&H has done amazingly well on this corridor introducing improvements in frequencies, span of day, investment in new buses and, east of Peacehaven, the benefit of fantastic bus lanes. It’s no surprise the result has been spectacular growth in numbers of passengers travelling which has obviously not escaped Stagecoach’s attention.

But the days of wasteful head to head competition are surely now long behind us, especially in an era of statutory enhanced partnerships and franchising. If Stagecoach has four peak vehicles available for speculative investment I’m surprised there aren’t bus routes in its own back yard across Kent and the eastern side of East Sussex that couldn’t benefit from a frequency uplift or new links.
Like maybe the 10X, 1X and X3 for example?

Another development for Sussex’s inter-urban bus network this week has been a very welcome enhancement by Metrobus to its route 273 between Crawley and Brighton.
I must declare a personal interest that it’s one of my local bus routes serving Hassocks as well as the adjacent village of Hurstpierpoint.

Back in history this became a very popular route with, at one time, London Country and Southdown providing an hourly jointly run timetable, numbered 773 and ‘SeaLine’ branding and I can well remember in the early 1980s duplicate vehicles having to be deployed on sunny summer days between Hurstpierpoint and Brighton with buses coming south from Crawley already full. At one time the route was extended all the way to Guildford as part of the Green Line expansion in the mid 1980s. The route then became less popular with the train offering a much quicker journey time from Three Bridges and latterly it’s had a somewhat unattractive timetable of just seven journeys a day including a three and a half hour gap in the afternoon.

Now, the timetable has been improved with Metrobus keen to grow the Crawley to Brighton market such that an hourly frequency is back for much of the day and the added journeys have been speeded up by missing out Bolney and Hickstead thereby taking advantage of the fast flowing A23.

Other improvements include journeys south of Patcham in Brighton becoming limited stop by removing eight bus stops within the city boundary and, for the first time for many years, restoring a Sunday timetable.

I took a ride up to Crawley and back on Monday morning, taking a long established journey – the peak hour 07:26 ex Brighton – and on boarding the bus between Hassocks and Hurstpierpoint it had 15 already on board. This journey continues to serve Hickstead and Bolney and we had custom from both. Overall we carried 24 adults and four children but the main issue was congestion entering Crawley.

The 273 passes over the level crossing just west of Crawley railway station on the busy line to Horsham and the Arun Valley.

We got delayed for eight minutes in the long queue of traffic and didn’t reach Crawley’s bus station until 08:50, 13 minutes late.
I returned back to Brighton on the next departure at 09:03 which used the new faster route down the A23 with a scheduled arrival of 10:04 in the Old Steine (a couple of later journeys are given a 59 minute journey time).

As the bus was departing 27 minutes before the concessionary pass witching hour I was surprised to see so many seniors waiting to board, but it turned out they were waiting for a coach tour to take them off somewhere even nicer than Brighton (can’t think where).

We carried 10 passengers and it was noteworthy there were some positive comments about the improved journey time. Much of this is perception of course, as the next journey (10:03 from Crawley) operates via the old route and arrives in Brighton at 11:06, so only taking two minutes longer.

It certainly seems much quicker, staying on the A23, as we passed the turn offs for Bolney and Hickstead.

As you’d expect from Metrobus there were supplies of new leaflets available from the Crawley Travel Shop, which impressively was open for business even before 09:00…

… and there were also supplies on the three buses I travelled on including a journey back from Brighton to Hassocks in the afternoon after my trip to Eastbourne.

Bus stop display timetables had also been updated throughout the route, including in Brighton. It just shows these things can be done and distinguishes quality operators like Metrobus from those mediocre and poor bus companies. It’s also good to see West Sussex rolling out its investment in hundreds of new real time signs across the county thanks to Bus Service Improvement Funding, including in the village of Hurstpierpoint.

It’ll be interesting to see whether the improved 273 timetable leads to enough growth in passengers to offset the extra costs. I get the impression there’s an appetite for more inter-urban bus travel among passengers with such markets growing around the country, so here’s hoping Crawley to Brighton becomes another one, especially for my vested interest.
Roger French
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The 701 baffles me. I could understand if it popped into Lewes via the tunnel offering more links to Newhaven to and from Lewes and creating a faster journey from Lewes to Eastbourne whilst also possibly taking passengers off B&H travelling from Brighton to Lewes using the East Sussex day tickets.. but skipping lewes when there’s clearly enough time in the timetable is a bizarre move, one which I think will sink this route.
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We now have a number of these new “real time” bus stops in Horsham including one on a route which has only three weekday journeys. When we were there the one newly installed at the westbound stop at the Hornbrook (routes 17 and 89) simply showed the time and said “refer to timetable”. But someone had already removed both the paper timetables that were previously to be found on the bus stop pole.
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Possible naive question – I guess joint ticketing, joint timetables etc are out the question? I realise with the two-pound scheme, things are so cheap that “use your return on any bus” is not a big deal.
However, as ever, the average passenger is not bothered what colour the bus is – they just want the next one from A to B. Combined timetables are good in that regard.
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I’ve always loved travelling through the beautiful Kent and Sussex countryside by bus so new wasnt to be missed. In 1975 a multi operator Wanderbus priced 50p (£3.24 in 2024 prices) gave a day or weeks unlimited access to this network. It was advertised on backs of timetables and as an overall advert on one of Gillinghams superb Atlanteans.
Nowadays I buy tickets on Brighton & Hoves App. Wanderbus has morphed into Discovery ticket but isn’t even advertised let alone available to buy electronically.
On Monday using my knowledge I deduced that a East Sussex Day Ticket best met my needs for riding on route 701 minded most buses I was likely to travel on wouldnt have USB ports. The Brighton App has an excellent facility that allows this to be downloaded in seconds.
Clutching my All Line Rail Rover and with my downloaded ESD, I headed for Brighton Pavillion to catch the 701 due at 09:30, at the same moment as Bustimes showed me an ex Stockport bus was leaving God’s Waiting Room on the first 701.
Instant bus information beyond my wildest schoolboy dreams in 1975.
What could go wrong!
John Nicholas
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Has Metrobus invented a new road on their route map? Near Albourne, there is an A32, which I assume is the A23, but being on its side, obviously confused the map drafter!
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It seems stagecoach are really keen to enter the crowded student market of Brighton. It makes no sense when there is already a good rail service. Stagecoach in East Sussex need to concentrate on their bog standard, abysmal Eastbourne town and inter urban network. Most buses are 10-15 years old (in the truly awful standard stagecoach livery) and most don’t run or even turn up. They are lucky to get the funding, but what will happen when the funding runs out? Even in the Eastbourne buses days the service was pretty mediocre and nothing special. Thank god for the mighty Brighton and Hove running their excellent coaster (and now regency routes) to and from the town. Something Eastbourne or stagecoach could never compete with.
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Thanks for mentioning the Crawley travel shop in this.
I have a strong belief that whilst shop ticket sales are in likely terminal decline, there is still a place for a location where you can speak to a bus operator face to face. Even if it’s just to get help and advice, a bit of travel confidence, or work out how to use the app better Hence why we’ve invested so much in keeping them going. We’re about to give Crawley a much needed refresh (I’m just looking at options now), and of course, I’m really proud of what we delivered at North Street in Brighton. That was a huge change on what was there before, and the team have done really well at adapting to the new world. Even though it took longer than I wanted from start to finish!
I’m lucky to have a team of directors that share my enthusiasm for shops, and I’m hoping we can continue to have them for many years to come!
Quick response to John at 10:51 today – I’d love to be able to do Discovery tickets on the app, but it’s more of a technological challenge rather than want or will. Getting the Stagecoach issued ESCC day tickets on their app to be scanned on our ticket machines took several weeks of hard and frustrating work. (I won’t bore you with the finer reasons why or complicated terms like firmware updates and sharing licence keys, and the hours of testing we had to do). So to try and replicate that across multiple operators – Some of whom don’t have machines that scan – Would be an incredibly labour-intensive project for a product that represents less than 0.02% of our ticket sales. Hence why we don’t do them via the app at the moment. Hopefully one day it will be a bit easier to do though!
Luke Taylor-Sales
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Brilliant response Luke, looking forward to visiting the new-look Crawley travel shop when it’s done. A lesson for the other groups who clearly don’t feel that such customer contact is necessary!
Darryl in Dorset
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This is so interesting, and especially as you mention providing “a bit of travel confidence”.
I asked someone recently why they didn’t use the bus, given it could fit with their daily commute? Answer – “I don’t know how you use the bus system – how do I pay for the trip?”
CH, Oxford
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You get on the bus, speak to the driver about where you’re going. They’ll tell you the fare, you give the driver cash or flash your contactless card. No railway TVMs to worry about . . . and always the correct, simple, fare.
Honestly . . . is it really that difficult? Perhaps schools should teach pupils how to understand the 24-hour clock and role-play “travelling by bus” or “travelling by train”.
I despair . . . I really do . . .
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Hmmm…greenline727 – I may be wrong, but I don’t think your instructions apply in London, do they?
RC169
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RC169 . . . well, no . . . but in London it’s even easier . . . board the bus, wave a card at the reader . . . sit down!!
The original comment was from someone (I presume) in Oxford . . .
Either way . . . my point was that it requires a minimum of human interaction . . . why is that so difficult??
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Thank you for response regarding Discovery ticket.
My sympathies go out to you regarding Ticketeer. I could spend all of my spare time contacting bus operators Customer Services as a user of this dreadful system, that invariably results in the driver saying don’t worry about it mate carry on.
Sent while travelling on one of Merseysides fabulous bright and airy new Hydrogen buses.
Everyone is wowed by this bus and making positive comments even the scallies sitting opposite me grinding cannabis.
John Nicholas
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The 701 also competes with its own stagecoach No4 serving passengers from EB station to Longland road by departing within minutes of each other…
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When I was working many years ago so it seems we sometimes used to get requests from schools for timetables so that pupils could be taught how to read them. Sadly, I suspect this was a case of an enthusiast teacher. Many young teachers today have probably never had to read a paper timetable. They simply look up a journey planner on their phone.
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My thinking was that they called it The 701 because they have the 700 Coastliner and maybe they want a network of buses going across the south coast between Portsmouth all the way to Dover. As an individual route I don’t really see the point of it. And it misses out Lewes. Southern trains going some of the same way. Some of the marketing is towards brighton football stadium, University area. Also the A26 between Newhaven -Beddingham has B&H 11X some times – another Brighton to Eastbourne that runs on select days and dates for summer. The 701 coming into Newhaven and doing a loop around the town reminds me B&H 29X one service weekdays comes through the tunnel and loops around lewes town centre but would be quicker if it didn’t but wouldn’t being serving much of Lewes.
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Stagecoach cannot even run a local bus service within Eastbourne without every other bus being out of service leaving passengers with a two hour gap between running buses. I’m talking about the disgusting 5A service. Everyone in the Sovereign Harbour area will know what I’m talking about, and the drivers’ attitudes are vile. So what possible chance can Stagecoach have in running a regional service alongside B&H? Answee: None, I’d sooner drive.
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I hope Stagecoach are aware that Newhaven town centre and the A26 for that matter can get pretty busy after the arrival of a ferry. And also that the swing bridge with its regular openings might cause something of a problem for a route which double-runs over it in both directions.
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This route is also speeded up by omitting the double-run over the A23 into Pease Pottage, which now only sees the 271. And I hope that using the same number for trips which now skip Bolney and Hickstead won’t catch anyone out.
Paul B
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I would have thought that Stagecoach would want to use buses with the high backed seats rather than some of the few with standard seats. Makes it feel less luxury compared with Brighton & Hive’s new buses.
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Running punctual buses proving ‘near impossible’ in city
Congestion worsened by poor city planning is negatively affecting efficiency and punctuality, says the Managing Director of South Wales-based Adventure Travel. Adam Keen, who talks specifically about Cardiff, says running a punctual bus service there is “near impossible”.
Explaining the problems, he says: “The area where we struggle most to run buses punctually is Cardiff, where traffic levels are entirely inconsistent and the few bus priorities in place have been replaced with cycle lanes in many cases.
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I would love to see stage coach bring back 712 from Brighton to Eastbourne give Brighton and Hove a run for their money Also the bus from Brighton to Arundel used to be really good. Maybe run a bus regularly from Brighton to Wakehurst that’s great to visit during school holidays
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There is a bus from Brighton to Wakehurst! It is Metrobus route 272. It runs every day, via Burgess Hill and Haywards Heath.
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not everyone in eastbourne lives in the town centre. It’s a shame that they didn’t have the new 701 bus pick up from eastbourne bus depot and along seaside,that would have catered for a lot of passengers the other end of town which brighton and Hove buses don’t.
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Following on from previous comment regarding last Mondays 701 trip a signal failure at Purley meant I missed the 09:30, opting to reach Brighton via Lewes activating my ESD on B&H bus from Tunbridge Wells.
Every cloud has a silver lining as BusTimes revealed the 0930 701 failed to serve the Pavillion bus stop where I intended to catch it, passing by empty allegedly still bound for Brighton in the section of Lewes Road now bereft of parked cars following recent conversion to a red route.
On arrival outside the Pavillion I found a bemused little old lady looking at the 701 timetable panel wondering where her bus was. Two ladys who looked at the real time were surprised Eastbourne buses went from this stop, only for me to realise they were talking about the circuitous 28 on the screen which had no via points!
Our 701 arrived punctually from Eastbourne and went away to await departure time as the capacious stops outside the Pavillion had town buses either hoovering up students or waiting time. When a blue roofed bus appeared I turned and reassured the little old lady saying “here it comes” only to take back my words after realising that Coasters now have similar coloured roofs to Stagecoach!
With Stagecoach shipping in buses from Manchester specifically for the 701 you would have thought an attempt could have been made to make the service stand out!
Stagecoach’s bus seated Enviros provide an enjoyable experience with uninterrupted views from every seat, however harsh experience has taught me it would be easier to see the Northern Lights than get their Customer Service Centre 508 miles from Brighton to do what it says on the tin!
John Nicholas
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In Kent, many bus services have cut back because of lack of funding, yet in East Sussex money has been made available to improve services including a £5 day ticket. It seems that central government are funding labour/green and opposition party area whilst cutting back spending in conservative controlled areas. Sadly a lot of rural areas are being denied public transport.
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I saw on the kent County Council website that Stagecoach Hastings to Tenterden Service will be cancelled in kent by the operator. “We are not in a position to fund a replacement service. The service will still operate from Hastings as far as Northiam, but will not continue as far as Tenterden.”
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Thank you for an interesting and informative read as always.
I’ve been down to the Old Steine a few times over the 701’s first week in service, and I’ve noticed two main things. The first being that, on average, the services have been running very late inbound between Newhaven and Brighton – not all of them, but most of the services have arrived between 15 to 20 minutes late inbound.
The other thing I’ve noticed is the lack of passengers. Most if not all of the passengers I have seen have been people interested in the industry wanting to try the new route – something that won’t make money when the novelty wears off. I would imagine the small passenger volume is mostly down to a lack of promotion, and I’ve only really noticed two or three passengers at max getting on and off at the Brighton terminous. Given Stagecoach have numbered it 701 in hopes of attracting follow-through journeys to and from the 700, perhaps there ought to be some ticket saving incentive to choose the new route over the already well-established coaster family.
As you have noted, I would think the route would be a good choice for uni students wanting to travel along the coast, as I would presume the route runs slightly faster than the 28 would between the university and Eastbourne. However, I also wonder if the route might turn out to be popular on match days, offering a direct route to the amex without the need to change in the city centre.
Like some of the other comments, I do wonder why Lewes was left out. The route could easily pop in to Lewes and then take the roundabout along Malling Street to continue the normal route with minimal disruption. In addition, there isn’t a single stop between Newhaven and Kingston Ridge and, although most of that is dual carriageway, I do wonder if there are a few stops that could be included along that corridor.
My last point on the 701 is its frequency. For short journeys along the Lewes Road, or between Newhaven and Eastbourne, its only real benefit is for people with an attitude of “I’ll get whichever bust comes first.” After all, there aren’t any other connecting Stagecoach routes along these short hops to make a multi-service ticket worthwhile. The Regency and Coaster brands are already well established, marketed, and certainly frequent – and towards the universities, you already have many B&H routes going that way anyway. Why wait an hour for a 701 (if it’s even on time!) when you can wait ten minutes for a Coaster?
I would love to see the route succeed, but I cannot see it doing very well as it currently stands.
As for the 273, I think that is a perfect contrast of how to run a service well. It is significantly easier to find all the information I need from Metrobus compared to Stagecoach, and the routes compliment an existing network already with the 271/272 and connected services and integrated ticketing with B&H services. When at the Steine for the new 701 services, I have also been looking out for the 271/272/273 services and I have to say that patronage on all three routes is really impressive and the improvements will be well received. My one and only complaint with these services – more so the 271/272 – is the destination displays. Given some 272 services do only run as far as Haywards Heath, I do not like the “Haywards Heath” in large and “for Brighton” in small.
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last weeks delays were due to Road works on the A26 north of Southease and these are now completed so shouldn’t affect the journey time as it did when I tried it out last week arriving in Brighton 15 minutes later than the timetable.
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Ah I see – thanks for letting me know 🙂 Your comment has also reminded me of the resurfacing works taking place towards along the Lewes Road, which I had neglected to remember.
Hopefully the service will improve with these out of the way.
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As a visitor to the area I hope that in time B&H do not reduce the 12X service frequency or alter ticketing.
Currently only if going west of Brighton to Worthing or other places served do I have to resort to Stagecoach and before the current subsidised £2 fares I recall relative to the distance Stagecoach was more expensive.
J.D.
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