The unluckiest route 13

Tuesday 2nd April 2024

It’s not often a bus service has to succumb to a 10 mile diversion due to a road closure resulting in half its route and two villages left unserved for up to six months.

That’s what happened when Scottish and Southern Electricity Networks embarked on its multi-million pound “Alton-Bordon Network Investment” project in February, installing over 11 miles of new cable for the expanding town of Bordon with a consequent need to close the B3004 (south of Alton) along which the cable is being laid.

As the map below shows, there are also other road closures throughout the area during 2024 to faciliate the work.

But add to that a second unconnected road closure on the B3349 (north of Alton) due to roadworks and resurfacing making the other half of the bus route inaccessible with a second 12 mile diversion and more communities left isolated and it’s pertinent to ask whether the route actually exists any longer.

It’s like the proverbial broom having both its brush head and handle replaced. Does the original broom exist?

It’s exactly what happened to Stagecoach South’s route 13 during the last two weeks of March completely disrupting its normal hourly timetable between Basingstoke, Alton and Whitehill/Bordon .

I was alerted to the first long term road closure necessitating the 10 mile diversion between Alton and Whitehill/Bordon by blog reader Steve. This disruption began in early February with an expected completion in August once the new power cable has been installed along much of the B3004.

Steve lives in the village of Selborne on the B3006 (bottom centre of the map above) which, ignoring school/college journeys, normally enjoys just three journeys a day on the infrequent route 38 between Alton and Petersfield. Steve describes the route as “a pretty useless service, as it tends not to connect with the train service at Alton, and returns as soon as it gets there, meaning shoppers have to wait some 3 hours for a return journey. Because of this it is, naturally, lightly used apart from schoolchildren.”

So, imagine his joy on suddenly gaining an hourly bus service on the diverted 13 between Alton and Bordon serving Selborne as well as providing a new direct link to Basingstoke for villagers. Concerned that Stagecoach hadn’t promoted this new bonus bus service he took it upon himself to include details on the village Facebook page and “alerted as many people as possible”.

Steve contacted me seeking advice how he could persuade Stagecoach and Hampshire County Council to consider making an arrangement similar to this diversion a permanent feature of the Hampshire bus network.

He suggested running a 13A and 13B alternately on a clockwise/anti-clockwise loop via the normal route to Bordon and continuing back to Alton on the diversionary route (and vice versa) thereby serving all communities and enabling route 38 to be cut back – which he points out costs the County Council over £100,000 to fund each year. Selborne Parish Council has backed Steve’s proposal and are passing it on to Stagecoach, East Hants District Council, Hampshire County Council and the South Downs National Park, all of which have an interest in promoting better buses.

From Stagecoach’s website

Steve invited me to pay a visit to the area to see for myself the merits of his proposal and when I was planning a trip looking at Stagecoach’s website over the weekend before Easter I was intrigued to see route 13 was subject to the second diversion for six working days spread over two weeks.

It was too good an opportunity to miss to have a look at the impact all this disruption was having.

From Stagecoach’s website

To try and explain what was happening as I took a ride on route 13 last week, on the Wednesday before Easter, here’s a map showing the normal route (marked in yellow) and the two diversions (marked in green) – A for the long term diversion and B for the two week diversion.

As you can see, aside from serving the bus station in Basingstoke, a few bus stops in Alton and the Bordon and Whitehill area, the route is completely different due to the extensive road closures.

I tried to find out what was happening for those communities on the normal route of the 13 and who were cut off by the diversions. As far as I can tell residents of North Warnborough, Odiham and South Warnborough (between Basingstoke and Alton) lost out completely for the six days of road closure B with no replacement provided. And just to add to the confusion, the driver I travelled with on Wednesday told me the previous day (Tuesday before Easter) the road was open, as it had been the previous weekend, only to be closed again on the Wednesday and an expectation it would be closed yet again on Thursday. I guess the wet weather was playing havoc with the resurfacing.

Residents of East Worldham and Kingsley (between Alton and Bordon) on the long term diversion A have fared better by the provision of a four-journey a day minibus between Alton and Bordon avoiding the road closure by taking very narrow roads as a diversion. It was a devil of a job trying to find out about this. There’s nothing on the Stagecoach website other than the reference you can see above to “Hampshire County Council and Scottish and Southern Electric are in discussion regarding any replacement service for customers in this area”, which isn’t exactly helpful if you want to find out further details and actually travel by bus.

There’s nothing on the Scottish and Southern Electric dedicated webpage for the project nor could I find anything by searching Hampshire County Council’s website. Its Journey Planner simply takes you to Google maps which suggests walking to Kingsley and showing no public transport to East Worldham.

Undeterred I gave the Community Contact Number for Scottish and Southern Electric’s Alton-Bordon Network Investment Project a ring and having explained my query a couple of times was advised I’d receive a call back when the person had found out the information.

In the meantime I rang Kingsley Parish Council to see what they knew but got the impression a replacement bus service wasn’t high on Pam, the Parish Clerk’s, list of priorities just advising me a bus would run at the times shown on the bus stop, which wasn’t very helpful for a non resident of KIngsley wanting to visit the village.

Then I got a call back from the Community Contact Number with news that an eight seater minibus was providing a free to use limited number of journeys funded by Scottish and Southern Electric Networks. The person kindly emailed me the details. Sadly this information only came to light after I’d returned home from my Wednesday trip so I headed back over to Alton again on Thursday to sus out this minibus replacement service.

Here’s what I found.

On Wednesday I caught the 09:40 departure from Basingstoke bus station on route 13. The bus didn’t come on stand until 09:42 and by the time the driver had explained four times to a confused passenger he wasn’t able to take her to Odiham due to roadworks it was 09:47 when we got going with four on board.

It was then a non-stop journey along the normally bus-less A339 to Alton. It felt very ‘express bus’ like as we made good progress along a fast flowing road.

The tracking map on bustimes.org showed us, and one of the other three buses on the route heading towards us, off the normal line of route but for the longer term diversion the timetable, route and map has been updated to show the changed route.

As we entered Alton we regained the normal route and picked up one passenger with a need to wait a few minutes as we’d obviously got well ahead of the normal schedule even having left five minutes late.

All four Basingstoke passengers alighted in Alton with four new boarders and having waited a further six minutes until 10:26 we began the second diversion.

The B3006 is not as fast a road as the A339 having less road width and making passing other large vehicles a bit tricky…

… but we still made good non-stop progress.

There are also some pinch points in the village of Selborne where the road narrows in several places.

No one else boarded or alighted until we reached the Whitehill turning circle at 10:53, seven minutes ahead of the revised timetable and where we were due to depart at 11:05.

The passenger who’d boarded as we approached Alton alighted and seven students bound for Alton College boarded.

The route then circles the expanding community of Bordon before heading back on the diversion to Alton.

Our four Alton passengers alighted as we circled round Bordon where we also picked up an impressive 21, mostly students, making for quite a busy return journey.

As we approached Selborne a passenger was waiting to board so Steve’s work had paid off. In Alton High Street seven alighted and nine boarded with three more getting on at the Church Street bus stop.

16 students alighted at Alton College with two more passengers boarding, after which it was non-stop back to Basingstoke with 17 on board who all alighted at the bus station as we arrived at 12:22, 13 minutes early.

Meanwhile the following day I was back in Alton to take a ride on the 12:35 minibus replacement for the 13 via the villages of East Worldham and Kingsley between Alton and Bordon/Whitehill.

I was a bit sceptical whether it would actually run, especially as I’d arrived in time to see the previous journey due into Alton at 11:24, but it turned out to be a no show.

After 70 minutes exploring Alton in the pouring rain 12:35 finally arrived. There was no timetable displayed at any of the bus stops in the High Street but I guessed the minibus would depart from the southbound stop used by buses on the 13.

A couple of passengers were waiting in the shelter both admitting they’d missed the 12:26 route 13 for Bordon. I told them I thought a minibus would be coming for Bordon very soon but I may have imparted my scepticism as the female wandered off into Boots opposite the bus stop.

12:35 came and went with no minibus and then at 12:37 a grey 19 seat Mercedes (a Mercedes 515CDI / Optare Soroco to be precise) operated by Cresta Coaches of Alresford duly appeared. It didn’t have any route board or destination showing but it was pretty obvious to me this was what I’d been waiting for.

Mick, the driver, gave a friendly welcoming smile and was amenable to me checking Boots over the road to see if I could find the Bordon bound passenger. Sadly I couldn’t so we left with just me on board as the other passenger in the shelter seemed disinterested.

The vehicle is usually a Peugeot eight seater but Mick does the duty on a Thursday with this 19 seater and very nice it was to ride in too.

We passed numerous Road Closed Ahead signs as we headed east along the deserted B3004…

… and arriving at the Three Horshoes on the western side of East Worldham…

… we had to turn on to the diversion and it soon became obvious why a smaller minibus is more appropriate to use.

Not only was the road very narrow …

… but in places it was almost river like …

… due to the amount of rain that had fallen in recent weeks and days and was continuing in the same vein as we drove on.

It took 28 minutes to reach the Whitehill turning circle (the 13 took 27 minutes on its diversion) and I spotted a timetable in the bus stop frame similar to one Mick had displayed in front of him in the driving seat (shown earlier).

Bus stops in the Kingsley area seemed to be displaying this too but I got the impression awareness is very low and Mick confirmed he seldom carries anyone and I’d been the only passenger on Thursday as we headed back to Alton.

As the months go by and residents of Selborne get used to their new hourly bus route on the 13 while those living in East Worldham and Kingsley become accustomed to being bus-less, apart from the limited minibus option, Steve’s suggestion of serving all communities may well have some merit.

However it could prove confusing for passengers on the circuit in Bordon with differing times to get to know on alternate hours and catching the bus on different sides of the road bound for Alton and Basingstoke.

Although that’s not widely different to the new world of AI generated timetables some operators are raving about as being ‘the future’.

Roger French

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24 thoughts on “The unluckiest route 13

  1. I am sitting on the 0655 from Whitehill now. The South Wanborough diversion that briefly ended for one day last week is still on despite this being much longer than 6 working days. I board the diverted service 13 in Greatham so the diverted route is much more ysr. Also, in the afternoon I connect to Petersfield on the 38 or 38X in Greatham which you miss just in Alton on the normal route as it always runs just late enough. Now I always make the connection. I wish they’d at least sort the lack of connections to Petersfield in Alton if and when it does revert back to normal. Alternative hour loops coupled with extending the 23 to Petersfield would mean you could lose some 38s.

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  2. Two thoughts:

    a) What are HCC thinking of in allowing this situation to happen? 

    b) The appearance on bustimes of the revised route and timetable is impressive. Yesterday’s effort for the Stagecoach East Midlands 505 (Spalding to Kings Lynn) was less so, with the site timetable showing “no departures” despite the buses tracking along the line of the anonymous route and the correct times appearing clearly on the operator’s website.

    Ian McNeil

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    1. All that new housing in Bordon needs a power boost from the substation in Alton, so there was no choice but to close the B3004. Stagecoach have the hump because route 13 is a “marginal service”, and they fear that the diversion will have a negative impact on the bottom line….not surprising as I am the only person advertising it to our local villagers. Also, HCC wouldn’t stump up the money to pay for a replacement service via Hook and Odiham during the secondary diversion, which upset Stagecoach even further.

      Steve Scott

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  3. Interesting to read that Bordon is expanding – if only it still had its branch railway line from Bentley! Sounds like the Basingstoke & Alton Light Railway via Lasham would be useful these days too – most famous for its starring role in the classic film Oh! Mr Porter! GL

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  4. Last week the driver wasn’t told about the South Wanborough diversion and refused to believe me until we were half way to Hook and we then had to do a hasty u-turn and made a passenger walk the rest of the way to Hook. Today we arrived in Basingstoke at 0748 which is much improved on the pre double diversion arrival which often is after 0830!!! HCC also refused to pay for a bus to serve the Northern diversion so they remain bus less including the Barracks which has 2 regulars on the 0655 boarding in Alton.

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  5. My experience of the Selbourne Road B3006 is that it is a busy rat run between Alton and Petersfield. Both are busy towns and difficult to get between by train.

    Mike Jones, Sussex

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    1. It was a big disappointment that, when the railways were privatised and Stagecoch ran both train and buses in the area, they never got the idea that they might be run as a co-ordinated network! Perhaps they never though of asking the passengers

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      1. Stagecoach did run a dedicated Bordon to Liphook rail link – the buses were even painted in SWT livery rather than bus livery.

        KCC

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  6. Long term roadworks can be a real pain. Here in North Yorkshire tehre has been a Saturday only Dalesbus promoted 4 journey service from Harrogate to Skipton, well used in both directions. The A59 at Kex Gill, near Blubberhouses, has slipped and been closed, for a second time in recent years, and looks unlikely to reopen before June. For a few weeks the service operated via Otley & Ilkley, a much longer journey and through two busy small towns, but only twice daily. This had the interesting side-effect of recreating the long-vanished West Yorkshire service 76 between Harrogate & Skipton. Even this has now ceased due partly to low passenger numbers and partly to forthcoming roadworks along the route.

    While the service is more of a day trip than a regular route, it will be interesting to see how it performs when finally restored. The long-term solution, being progressed at the moment is a new section of the A59 bypassing the slipping section.

    Roadworks, traffic congestion, thoughtless planning all conspire to make it harder to promote the bus as an acceptable alternative to the car

    John

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  7. If only the 13 had been replaced by a DRT, then all these problems would gave been solved. (Tongue firmly in cheek!)

    MotCO

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  8. Within Alton, the diversion to avoid Southview Rise (buses instead running the full length of Greenfields Avenue) was probably necessary to shave a couple of minutes off end-to-end journey times to factor in the Selborne diversion. However, it sounds like this may become permanent even when the southern half returns to its normal route. If this does go ahead it’ll be a shame as, while Southview Rise is less than half a mile in length, the town service only running three times per day over a two hour window is very restrictive and the road is quite a steep hill with a fair share of elderly residents.

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    1. The bigger saving is not doing the tour around Basingstoke on arrival and departure. The 13 rarely stopped on South view and the traffic by the college adds to delays so I’m hoping it doesn’t revert that way

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      1. Sadly a relative of mine, who pays fares rather than uses a concessionary pass but is unable to walk back up the hill from the nearest 13 stop, isn’t so glad. So that’s one passenger Stagecoach has lost to local taxis.

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  9. Sadly, a story repeated throughout most of the UK at the moment. Wherever I travel, there is always at least one serious diversion encountered, and endless delays are a part of most other journeys. A Wealdlink 225 from Battle to Crowborough the other day saw no less than five sets of road works/closures, and with the condition of most roads, both urban and rural, it looks like “we ain’t seen nothing yet!”

    The paucity of information at many affected bus stops is par for the course, and any information regarding a replacement link is clearly kept a state secret, although “locals” may have been better informed through Parish Councils and village grapevines.

    Just to add to the confusion, a notice at West Byfleet station bus stop last Wednesday informed intending passengers the road was closed between 0900 and 1600. This caused alarm for those who noticed it, many drifting away not sure if any alternative had been provided or indeed where.
    But the road had not been closed, and buses still served the stop! Creating yet more confusion.

    Passengers, and indeed Operators and unfortunate Drivers who have to bear the brunt of complaints, really cannot win.

    Terence Uden

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  10. Changing a Stagecoach route permanently after a temporary diversion has happened before. The 700 Coastliner trunk route was diverted in 2011 in Worthing between Mill Rd and Worthing Pier via Grand Avenue and the seafront temporarily due to 6 weeks of roadworks on Mill Road. This provided a 10 minutely service to a large area previously poorly served only by Compass Buses. Loadings were so good the route was permanently diverted and remains in place, and is very busy in the Grand Avenue and Seafront area to this day, including in evenings and Sundays, when previously there was no service at all. I had written to Stagecoach about 10 years earlier to suggest such a diversion, but their only reply was to say they couldn’t discuss operational details due to commercial confidentiality!

    Regards,

    Nick Kennedy

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  11. Another issue, although comparatively minor by comparison is the disdain shown for bus stops. Recently I have seen many “bus stop suspended” road signs but with no advice about where the nearest stops are.

    Selborne is famous for being the home of Gilbert White, who logged his sightings of wildlife and is considered to be the first British birdwatcher.

    Gareth Cheeseman

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  12. As a regular user of the 13 in the evening from Hook to N Warnbourough, for a very long time (last timetable change in 2023 at least, up to early 2024) the timekeeping was very poor, often 10-20 minutes late, for no good reason I could see. Recently it started to keep better time.

    Fortunately I missed the weeks where there was no service at all–it’s a long and not very pleasnant walk from Hook to N. Warnborough

    MilesT

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  13. On 20/02/2010 electricity cabling work by Railtrack closed Aldenham Road near the Haberdashers Askes Girls School as I was being given a car lift from Elstree Station to Aldenham School [to referee football]. Gladly I had been in the area previously as a pedestrian so was able to give my driver correct directions so we got to the match on time. It was an awkward day to “log” for my Diary. Cable was needed in respect of a Thameslink project.

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  14. It wasn’t that long ago that route 13 routinely used the A339 between Basingstoke and Alton. The route via Odiham came about due to amalgamating it with a previous Basingstoke -Hook- Odiham route. It’s slower to Alton than before but it’s a useful route and not slow at all between Odiham and Alton. Personally, as a regular visitor to the countryside, I wish Selborne and the lovely hills around there were a lot easier accessed, not just when cables are being laid!

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