LNER are taking us for fools

Sunday 21st January 2023

“Our Simpler Fares pilot aims to make buying tickets even easier and give customers a better experience with just three ticket types.”

That’s the pitch LNER’s marketing people are using to justify the new “70min Flex Ticket” announced on Tuesday that starts on Monday 5th February.

But what the PR and marketing hype doesn’t make clear is (a) passengers already experience “just three ticket types” (Advance; Off-peak; Anytime) and (b) what this con of a ‘pilot/trial’ involves is withdrawing the flexible and reasonably priced off-peak/super off-peak ticket and replacing it with something more restrictive, namely a ticket able to be used 70 minutes either side of a specified journey time having been purchased in advance of travel.

Furthermore, this new “70min Flex Ticket” is subject to limits on numbers sold and if you do want to change the time (by up to 70 minutes) you have to go through a rigmarole of doing so before you travel using either the LNER app or logging into ‘My Account’ on the LNER website, otherwise it won’t be valid.

And if all the alloted seats have sold out for the journey you want to rebook on….. tough.

How can that be “easier” and “a better experience” than a flexible off-peak ticket?

LNER’s website proclaims there are two advantages for passengers from this pilot:

Firstly, the off-peak ticket being withdrawn already allows for overrunning meetings or deciding to go home earlier for dinner, because it’s flexible (within the limits of the definition of off-peak). And secondly, of course the new “70min Flex Ticket” is cheaper than an Anytime ticket – so is the off-peak ticket it’s replacing. No ticket could possibly be more expensive than the Anytime ticket. That ticket is trackside robbery.

Instead of enjoying flexible off-peak travel including being able to break your journey along the way at places like York, Darlington or Durham, under this new pilot, passengers will be restricted to using one of just five timed journeys within a two hour 20 minute window (ie 70 minutes either side of the original booked journey time on a half hourly service) without any break in journey possible and on top of that will be subject to seat availability, as a reservation is compulsory.

Thankfully the pilot initially only involves three journeys, albeit probably three of the most popular journeys on LNER: between Kings Cross and Newcastle, Kings Cross and Bewick-upon-Tweed and Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley.

From 5th February, the only option for passengers wanting flexibility of travel times for those journeys, and an absolute guarantee they’ll “get home early for dinner”, will be to stump up for an exorbitantly priced Anytime single ticket.

A journey from London Kings Cross to Newcastle-upon-Tyne currently costs £83.80 single if travelling during what LNER defines as super off-peak. That is: on Mondays to Thursdays not leaving Kings Cross before 09:06 or between 14:59 and 18:59, or arriving from the north before 11:17.

In practice that means heading north from Kings Cross to Newcastle on Mondays to Thursdays until 1st February, if passengers don’t want a journey restricted (and quota limited) Advance ticket and want to just turn-up-and-go, the first six departures set them back £192.80 for the single journey; the next 11 departures £83.80; the next eight departures £192.80 and then four more evening departures for £83.80.

From 5th February passengers will have to pay £192.80 for those 11 off-peak and four evening journeys too if they want to retain a flexible travel experience. More than a doubling in price. If making a return journey to Newcastle it’ll be an unaffordable £385.60.

This pilot is all about doing away with off-peak tickets by the back door. The DfT is testing passenger reaction to a new era of rail ticket price extortion.

This is NOT “Simpler Fares” as being miss-sold by LNER.

It’s a massive ticket price increase for the same flexibility.

And such is the scale of the increase passengers face (or forced to accept added travel restrictions), I suspect passengers will react by simply not travelling with LNER.

It’s an open goal for Open Access operator LUMO which runs on the same route and is not part of this scandalous ‘contempt-for-the-passenger’ pilot.

Except LUMO trains are already very well used with little spare capacity although, in a lovely timed coincidence on Friday, the company announced it was “exploring plans to add more LUMO services” to its timetable.

What really annoys me about this pilot is firstly there’s been no consultation; passengers are just being presented with a fait accompli with a popular ticket abolished, and secondly the way it’s being communicated by headlining how much “better” it will be and not being upfront about the downside.

The rail industry has form trying to justify the indefensible with weasel words. The Ticket Office closure debacle originally set out to convince us it would provide “better face-to-face interactions”. The Rail Delivery Group even produced a video called “Customer Focus Stations” to convince us the future really would be all the better by shutting down the very places that were absolutely customer focused. In that case we were told a meaningless on “average” only “12% of passengers used ticket offices”.

Coincidentally, this time we’re being told on average only 11% of passengers use off-peak tickets.

And they’re trying to convince us replacing a flexible ticket with one that by comparison is more restrictive is “a better experience”.

If this pilot was truly aiming for “a better experience” it would simply enhance the Advanced ticket, which is limited to a specific journey, with the new idea of a “70min Flex Ticket”. And leave the off-peak ticket as is.

Or better still, as in Scotland, the DfT would sanction a pilot to do away with the exorbitantly priced Anytime ticket and allow off-peak tickets any time flexibility.

That would simplify the range down to just two ticket types and genuinely give a “better experience”.

Since Covid and the rise of online business meetings there’s no longer any justification for peak hour pricing on long distance trains in any event. They’re running virtually empty, save for offering Advance purchase tickets usually at the off-peak price.

Do you know how many passengers travel on LNER’s ‘Flying Scotsman’ style non-stop (save for Newcastle) journey leaving Edinburgh at 05:40 (Newcastle at 07:04) and arriving Kings Cross at 09:40 (to create a headline grabbing end-to-end four hour journey time)?

Go on, have a guess. there are no Advance tickets allowed on this journey, nor off-peak tickets. It’s aimed at business folk. The only fares are full price £193.90 (from Edinburgh) or £192.80 (from Newcastle). How many passengers do you reckon are on board that train?

I’m told by a Company Insider on a recent morning there were just 30 passengers leaving Newcastle. The on board staff moved them all into first class in coach L.

It’s a clear example of eye-watering, unaffordable fares pricing passengers off the railway.

It’s noteworthy post Covid both LNER and Avanti West Coast removed all peak hour restrictions on Fridays and I’m not aware the world has ended. Indeed I think it’s time that was deemed the success it is and extended to every day of the week.

If this LNER pilot is deemed successful and rolled out to other destinations (as I suspect the DfT will connive to achieve) it’ll spell the end of the ‘walk on railway’ as it’s been since inception 250 years ago next year. What a way to mark this upcoming prestigious milestone.

This crazy exploitive idea must be stopped just as the Ticket Office and London Travelcard proposals were. Except this time I see Transport Focus has been persuaded into lending support to the pilot.

New chief executive of the watchdog, Alex Robertson, is quoted: “the plan to trial demand-based pricing on some LNER routes is a radical change for passengers. Transport Focus strongly supports fares reform and it’s right to trial new ideas to see if they work”.

Stewart Fox-Mills, programme director for fares, ticketing and retail at the Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) is even more ebullient “it is great to see this next step in the simplification of rail fares. This pilot will move the dial towards simpler and better fares for customers”. Yeah, right Stewart. And do you get free staff travel on the rail network? When did you last have to buy an off-peak ticket this “better fares for customers” pilot is abolishing? Still, I guess it gives Stewart and the team at GBRTT something to talk to each other about because I can’t think what else they can be doing now the Government has gone cold on the whole idea of sorting out the structure of the railways.

Then there’s Rail Minister Huw Merriman: “we are delivering on our commitment to reform the railways, working with operators to provide passengers with simpler and more flexible tickets that better suit their needs.” Not my needs, Huw.

And of course you can’t beat David Horne, LNER’s managing director and long time career railwayman, but now well experienced in spinning a positive out of a negative as is LNER’s stock in trade since it became a DfT controlled puppet: “this exciting new pilot is the next step in our plans to overhaul complicated and outdated ticketing options ….. making fares simpler, smarter and fairer, while introducing value for money and modern flexibility …. will encourage more people to choose to travel by rail”.

A new ticket with restricted time availability, albeit with “70min Flex” is categorically not my idea of “modern flexibility”.

And while we’re on David’s ability to spin any PR hype I couldn’t help smile at the stark coincidental contrast in two consecutive posts that appeared on my X timeline on Thursday.

The ASLEF week long strike beginning Monday 5th February (brought about by DfT’s insistence LNER takes up the newly introduced minimum service level legislative options during a one-day strike the previous week – other train companies have shied away seeing it as inflaming an already tinderbox atmosphere of industrial relations) means this unwelcome pilot gets off to a rather appropriate start with no trains running for the first five days. Still, at least we’ll be spared the usual LNER razzmatazz hyperbole launch, and no doubt the cupcakes will keep fresh for a week.

In the immediate future for the 11% of passengers who reportedly buy off-peak tickets, there’s an easy work around the restrictions LNER is bringing in and dressing up as “a better experience” and avoid the whole thing.

If you’re travelling from Kings Cross to Newcastle, then buy a ticket to Manors, the next station up the line, which costs exactly the same as to Newcastle. Similarly for Berwick-upon-Tweed, buy to the next station Reston; and for Edinburgh Waverley buy to the next station, Haymarket and enjoy the continued availability of reasonably priced off-peak tickets at the same price, as can be seen in the two Ticket Vending Machine screens below.

The same applies for Newcastle/Manors and Berwick-upon-Tweed/Reston.

Sadly, few passengers will be aware of this loophole and no third party retailers, train company websites or station booking office staff will offer it.

Instead, from 5th February passengers will see that £87.00 fare has disappeared from the screen leaving £193.90 as the only option…. other than LUMO’s £81.00 Anytime Day Single.

No prizes for guessing which ticket passengers will choose.

Which is a shame as, aside from the time restrictions (which as argued above need to be removed), the about-to-be-abolished off-peak tickets truly do offer “modern flexibility”.

Roger French

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49 thoughts on “LNER are taking us for fools

  1. Note that LNER aren’t even pretending to offer 70-minute flexibility tickets on all trains. And, as you say, only in limited numbers when they do.

    So from two guaranteed-availability products of three, we get one out of three. At more than double the cost of the lost Super Off-peak.

    Aren’t we lucky to have clever people working so hard to make life better for us simpletons?

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  2. What’s such a shame is that the off-peak fares LNER has were quite reasonably priced in my opinion. With a Railcard, the fact I can go to Edinburgh tomorrow morning for £57 (a long distance by any measure) is pretty good.

    I’d argue if they’re looking at targeting extra revenue (which, let’s be honest, they are!) – it would actually be a commercially sensible proposition to have both the “flex” and the off-peak tickets. The pricing ladder model of upselling has been proven to work and I could see several times I (as someone who usually books fairly far in advance) would consider paying a bit more for some extra flexibility whilst still being cheaper than a walk-up fare.

    Finally – if there are any London- York passengers reading this, they might have spotted a similar loophole from this ticket. As well as the 2 Edinburgh-bound trains, LNER also operates every 2 hours an all-stations slower service to York. This (particularly in summer) is always much cheaper than the non-stop service that leaves just 6 minutes before it (and arrives 40 mins before). I can see plenty of occasions where you could just book the slow service plus the flex add-on, and immediately change your journey to the fast service!

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  3. From Tony Barnfield: What a mess! Of course, most of those in charge don’t have to buy tickets. Good piece, Roger, which needs publishing to benefit a further audience (The Independent ?).

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  4. LNER really taking people for fools, totally agree. The insistence on using online booking apps and websites really flies in the face of convenience for a turn up and go passenger. I’ve been on trains in Europe a few times in recent months and everywhere else has reasonably priced, logical and fair ticketing arrangements that you don’t need a PHD to understand them. I also find the 11% claim of off peak fare usage dubious, but I guess it depends largely on what you choose to include in that bucket to spin the story! Certainly the line between York, Darlington and Newcastle has a good amount of off-peak turn up and go traffic, a sizeable chunk of which doesn’t pre book. I just can’t understand what’s wrong with turning up at a ticket window or machine and simply stating your destination, return, and if today or within a month. Nice and simple! But not very sexy!

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    1. I agree, I’m an occasional turn up & go customer and travel from Darlington to Newcastle. However, since Virgin East Coast introduced ticket simplification many years ago they scrapped off peak day returns, so I had no choice but to get an anytime return if I wanted flexibility. Now with LNER it’s even worse, no returns, so buy an advance single ticket at the station, but you can’t get the next train, if it’s due within 5 minutes as it disappears from the ticket machine which is irritating. Then in busy times such as a Friday afternoon I was returning from Newcastle, there was no advance tickets available, so I had to buy a more expensive anytime single, but there was plenty of seats available to reserve on the next train. Now I just get the bus back from Newcastle for £4 straight back to where I live, yes it takes longer, but it’s much less hassle! John Robinson

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  5. Looking at LNER’s website if you want to change your original booking to use another train within the -70/+70 minute flex period there’s a £10 admin fee payable as well as the difference in fare if the ‘new’ train is more expensive. No refund if it’s cheaper! What a complete con this new ticket is. Also whats to stop you split ticketing to carry on using the old super/off peak tickets to save money if travelling to the selected flex destinations, although I appreciate this might involve moving seats at the split stations.

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  6. The LNER website (https://www.lner.co.uk/tickets-savings/semi-flexible/) claims that you can change your 70min flex ticket but you don’t have to (“If you’re not online, board any valid train and find an available seat.”). It also includes this wonderful paragraph under “FAQs – Can I change my 70min Flex ticket?”

    “You can change your seat reservations in My account on the LNER app so you can enjoy your journey in comfort. If you’re not able to get on the app, you can ”

    (Yes, that is the complete paragraph as it appears on the website… Anybody else think this is being rushed out in rather a hurry without being properly thought through?)

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    1. So does that mean that if, let’s say, you want to travel on the 1200 train but tickets are much cheaper on the 1230 train, you could buy a cheap ticket for the 1230 and then travel on the 1200 instead? 🤔

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      1. Yes – which makes a mockery of the notion that this is simpler! For example the cheapest ticket for the 16:30 from Kings Cross to Edinburgh may well be a Flex ticket for the 15:30. Simple, eh?

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  7. Just a way for LNER to do away with the ‘cap’ offered by the super off-peak single ticket so they can hike the cost of advances on busy days (school holidays/bank holidays etc)
    Even on Sunday afternoons from Edinburgh where at certain times is 3tph to London due to high demand.

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  8. Thanks for a full explanation Roger. I heard about this but hadn’t seen the detail. It is indeed many years now since there were posters and leaflets about just three types of tickets – Anytime, off peak and advance – the trouble was and is that each was sub-divided into hundreds of others!! The ability to break a journey (inline with the average motorist) is really important and I agree that if you bought an Off peak return to Inverness valid for a month you could spend a day or a few days in Edinburgh, Durham and York on the way back. With all this where is the simplification of rail tickets? It is unfortunate that Barry Doe (who I am sure is a subscriber to Roger’s blogs) no longer writes his column in RAIL magazine as this would be highlighted.

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  9. When I first read the LNER announcement on doing away with Off-Peak tickets I thought exactly the same, the paying public are again being treated like idiots and cash cows. As a retiree I make lots of rail journeys for days out and holidays simply because I enjoy travelling on trains but this latest announcement is nothing more than a scam and should be rethought or ditched. If it isn’t I will be looking more into using my bus pass in England which gives me free travel regardless of the time of day or destination.

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  10. For passengers travelling between London and Edinburgh, it’s worth bearing a mind that there are also a few direct trsins from Euston to Edinburgh, plus several other journey opportunities with one change at Preston. I did a fares search for early February, and found Advance fares on the direct trains for £37 outward and £44 on the return leg (£81 in total).
    Secondly, the first departure from Edinburgh to Kings Cross departs at 05.40, not 05.04. Also, next year marks the 200th anniversary of passenger railways, not the 250th.

    Carllo

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  11. It has always been the case that ‘simplification of fares would lead to higher fares. This is a continuation of LNER’s attempt to fleece passengers as after the introduction of single fares only the amount of delay repay available has been cut in half as previously if one leg of a return journey was over two hours late you got a refund of the full return fare but now you only get the single leg refunded.

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  12. Any ‘simplification’ of rail fares should be for the benefit of the passengers, not the train operators.
    It is difficult to encourage new passengers to travel regularly by train when tickets – especially for longer journeys – are so exorbitantly priced. It is disgusting that TOCs are trying to find ways to fleece money out of the existing travellers.

    – Stu (West Midlands Bus Users)

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  13. Well said Roger. As you say, a total con and an insult to the travelling public who’ll soon get wise to these underhand and devious tactics. Your blog about this sleight of hand deserves a wider audience.

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  14. So that’s explained your concerns Roger, and clearly those of many others. It would be helpful then, for balance, if you can publish the reply you’ve had from David Horne when you’ve approached him about this. David’s a reasonable chap and, as you say, a career railwayman.

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    1. David Horne is where he is because he parrots the orders he’s given by his bosses (today the DfT, previously Stagecoach). He’s very good at being pleasant to people, but not so good at actually doing anything substantively useful for those people.

      I have personal experience of him from his time as MD of East Midlands Trains when I was involved in a local user group. You’d get plenty of nice words and smiles from him, but he never really listened to what you were saying to him and nothing ever got done.

      We dealt with a lot of career railway managers over the years. Some were good, but most were mediocre and utterly lost without anyone more senior telling them what to do.
      Even Central Trains’ Steve Banaghan (who delighted in telling everyone that he was a Millwall thug and tried to live down to the stereotype in meetings) was better to deal with. At least he’d tell you straight that he wasn’t interested and didn’t really care.

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  15. I read about this in the media a few days ago and was appalled. Thanks Roger for your detailed explanation, what a rip off this is.

    For me rail fare simplification means abolishing peak time fares as there are no commuting peaks anymore on long distance services (witness the example of c30 passengers on the Flying Scotsman). It also means the restoration of the walk up railway. Dynamic pricing and advance booking kills spontaneity of travel as it involves planning and paying in advance and restriction to one departure. This adds complications and faff for the passenger if plans change.

    So walk up railway with mileage based fares (long distance taper of course

    Peter Brown

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    1. I’m no regular rail traveller by any means, but peak-time fares just means that people looking to travel somewhere and ‘save money’ will opt to use the first train after the end of the ‘peak’ period, which just means those trains end up much busier than they need to be.

      -Stu (West Midlands Bus Users)

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  16. My worry is that this latest initiative will just create more unnecessary conflict between passengers and rail staff trying to enforce these hair brained new restrictions. A bonkers scheme.

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  17. If LNER roll out this con to other services, will the ‘flex’ period of +/-70 minutes still apply on services where the frequency is every 2 or 3 hours, or irregular? And what happens when there is disruption on the line, trains are running maybe an hour or more late, and connections missed? Do you get an extra 70 minutes added on? This is not only a con but a complete shambles in the making. It’s worrying that senior people in the industry, whether from the railway industry or not, can’t see the greater picture, but of course not at all surprising.

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  18. This is further action from this vile anti rail Government who would rather we travel by road or air to pollute the environment.
    Another scheme dreamed up on the back of a fag packet by, no doubt, highly paid consultants without regard for the passenger.

    Tony Burns

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  19. Fantastic post Rodger.

    Quick question – you note that LNER say that on average only 11% of passengers use off-peak tickets.

    It would be VERY interesting to see how many passengers use Anytime tickets. Far less than 11% I’m sure. Anybody have a figure for that?

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  20. When will the Great British Public get tired of being ripped off? No wonder that Britain is called ‘Treasure Island’

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  21. Sadly, this is now getting very complicated for me and am no longer have the capacity to work out my best options easily for cost effective travel. I Suspect I have made my last journey by train to London. Thank you LNER.

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  22. I have my doubts whether this will work on the routes they have selected, but even if it does, as soon as it hits routes where driving times are shorter and more comparable to rail it will fail. Passengers will switch to driving. Which is very flexible. In fact on most these routes most already do drive and rail has a minority market share.

    A lot of the commentary on this focusses on flexibility on the day. But the multi day flexibility is important too. Say in the circumstance where a family member is coming to look after a sick child, that person may well need to stay until they are better – while not being particularly sensitive to the time of train they take.

    At the same time the assumption that employers will simply pay for Anytime tickets without question is now simplistic and very out of date (as the Flying Scotsman example shows). Even the airlines are finding that premium leisure is the critical and growing market.

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  23. One one hand Scotrail are currently running a trial of Off-peak fares at all times, on the other the D(a)FT are using LNER to trial this on top of single tickets only. This is the one and same D(a)FT who constantly state farebox income is lower than 2019.

    Directly very unlikely this will affect me. My concern is it potentially being the very thin end of a very thick wedge. Rail should be turn up and go. When using Off-peak and super-off-peak tickets this should be within clearly defined standardised times. If when the ticket(s) are purchased the exact journey times are undecided or if initially decided change there should be no requirement to have to use a website or phone app to update the ticket never mind find no availability. If the change is outside the time validity it should be possible to excess the ticket on the train. Further while a ticket is for travel not for a seat the expectation should be for a seat for at least most of the journey except very short journeys.

    The % difference between Anytime and Off-peak tickets is totally inconsistent too, from my local station ~20% in one direction and ~100% in another.

    Aside from environmental reasons the D(a)FT ought to be encouraging not discouraging rail travel.

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    1. D(a)FT as you put it is, based on its historic behaviour, known in the railway industry as the Department for Road Transport.

      The last thing they want is to encourage rail travel!

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  24. I am ashamed to say that last time I travelled from London to Edinburgh it was from London City Airport. 50p + Avios. It was getting towards Christmas and I couldn’t find any availability out of King’s Cross. Rail still managed to stuff me up though. No DLR to the airport, a bus replacement instead. 304 032.

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  25. Just remember, folks, this isn’t an LNER idea or even a GBRTT idea. This is the DfT finding ways to increase the passenger revenue in order to keep the Treasury happy.

    Get used to it, because once they’ve shown that revenue goes up (overall) and passenger loads stay pretty steady as more people switch to Advance tickets, they’ll be doing it on every other long distance route. The passenger railway isn’t private (apart from the open access operators), whatever the politicians may pretend when it suits; it’s micro-controlled by the DfT and this is coming from them.

    Those eye-watering West Coast walk-up fares between London & Manchester which were introduced under Virgin and are still there today under the current lot? That’s the sort of thing the DfT will be aiming for on all long-distance routes, albeit it’ll be the TOCs who take the flak once again for a government-imposed policy.

    The public were warned that “simplification” would ultimately mean higher fares when it was first announced. It’s starting now.

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  26. As has been commented on by others this is clearly a revenue raising plan,and as LNER is run by the Dft they can ‘experiment’ . But the more complicated it becomes, the only beneficiaries will be Lumo, other open access operators, coaches and the car. Anything the Dft gets it’s fingers into is an increasing mess

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  27. Finding off-peak fares isn’t easy. The Nation Rail planner frequently defaults to two advance fares. And, while Trainline do have an “open” option, I’m not sure if most people understand what that is, or its benefits. Trainline, do need to be complemented on giving the (almost) full restrictions, unlike Nation Rail! BRFARES.COM is the definitive source.

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  28. Roger, I think buying a ticket for a cheaper, but longer journey is a breach of the Conditions of Travel. Automatic barriers wouldn’t allow you to join at Newcastle on the return leg.

    You need to buy a separate Newcastle to Monors ticket as a work around.

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    1. It’s permitted. You’re effectively breaking your journey (permitted on that ticket) and then not resuming it. Whether the barriers open or not is irrelevant to the validity of the ticket.

      Stopping/starting short is perfectly fine where the ticket type allows for it.

      This wouldn’t be allowed on Advance fare of course, which has a specific itinerary.

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  29. I have read this blog again and still cannot understand it. So if I go to my local non LNER ticket office or if it is closed the ticket machine will this new arrangement be fully explained to me. Somehow I doubt it. Furthermore it seems the only way to make changes etc is online – surely all this nonsense and it is nonsense should be possible at a ticket office or machine. Why should passengers be forced to do things online something which many passengers simply won’t be confident or able to do anyway. Bring back British Rail InterCity with standard conditions. All the good done years ago is now being gradually (though rather too quickly) eradicated. I am sure that even the “celebrity” who used to do the BR awayday adverts would be appalled.

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  30. It is possible to force the systems to offer the traditional tickets on the trial routes.

    Just make your start or destination a station a short distance away. e.g. for KGX-New castle book your ticket from Finsbury Park or to e.g. Manors. and the old ticket types are back.

    Whether this results in a cheaper fare remains to be seen.

    And you may need to travel the route as ticketed, depending on barrier arrangements at KGX and Newcastle (Finsbury park would require exit through barriers at KGX and then reentry to the other platforms, not sure about Newcastle.).

    MilesT

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  31. As there’s some uncertainty about the barriers at KGX and or NCL, I would suggest splitting the booking at York, as all the LNER trains stop there (I think).

    Ian McNeil

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  32. A London-Glasgow ticket (off-peak or anytime) is valid for travel via ECML and Edinburgh, and an off-peak return is cheaper than the sum cost of the singles for London-Edinburgh and the return journey. If travelling from London to Edinburgh, you could buy an off-peak London-Glasgow ticket and break your journey in Edinburgh (and take a free trip to Glasgow whilst you’re there)

    A

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  33. This is certainly very disturbing as well argued. However in the interests of fairness it’s unlikely that GBTT staff or managers get any free rail travel which is generally restricted, nationally, to the ‘protected’ former employees of British Rail and current (but as I understand it not retired) employees of the individual train companies or groups on their services only. Even the top (not ex BR) managers don’t necessarily get free travel on other companies’ services.

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  34. Ref anonymous at 0713 pm commenting on buying a ticket to a destination beyond where one wants to travel. For many years I travelled in the morning from Derby to Newcastle, but as this was a peak journey it was full fare. The ticket office always sold me a return to Alnmouth as off peak tickets were valid all day, and at the time some £30 cheaper. I also always returned from Durham and never had any problems or queries with the tickets.

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  35. Thank you for this important piece of journalism. It is a shame that the professionals in charge at LNER don’t have the courage to tell the government to get lost. And it is the government that is the foundation of all this nonsense. They are incompetent, mean and vindictive.

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