Seen Around

Sunday 29th June 2025

A bumper bundle for this month’s round up of previously unblogged travels and sightings from the last four weeks, so let’s get straight into them with more autonomous bus riding….

Autonomous Cambridge Connector

… this time in Cambridge. The latest trial of “driver-less” bus provision began this last week on a figure-of-eight route linking Eddington and the Maddingley Road Park & Ride site with the adjacent Cambridge West Innovation District…

… in the morning and afternoon peak periods.

It’s the same Fiat Dicato bus with Mellor bodywork used in the Didcot trials a couple of years ago but has been given a brand makeover…

… with an all new line up of logos on the side including Whippet which is providing the driver after Stagecoach pulled out from participating in the project last year.

Fusion Processing, the technology provider, continues to mastermind the project with funding still coming from the Centre for Connected and Autonomous Vehicles – a joint unit from the Department for Transport and Department for Business and Trade.

I had a ride on Wednesday afternoon, and as in other similar autonomous trials I’ve experienced over the last couple of years, in Sunderland, Milton Keynes, Edinburgh, Harwell and Didcot, it’s impressive to see the technology at work with the bus recognising traffic lights…

… and negotiating roundabouts and junctions with ease even when there’s a lot of traffic.

However, it can’t cope with anything just a bit unusual – such as this parked car which was just slightly over the kerb line…

… meaning autonomous mode suddenly ended and Nick, our ‘safety captain’ on board behind the steering wheel, had to intervene. As he did when the bus was stationary in a queue of traffic for more than 30 seconds.

The Cambridge Connector trial is being extended in a few weeks with two more buses, including an Enviro100 to be used on a route in the Trumpington area of Cambridge.

Tiger moth balls

While in Cambridge on Wednesday I caught up with the two recently introduced ‘orbital’ Tiger branded routes T2 and T3 which I didn’t manage to sample on my other recent visits. Stagecoach run both routes on an hourly frequency with two buses on each.

While I can see a slight purpose for the southern T3 route in that it provides a link from Grantchester and Great Shelford to Addenbrooke’s Hospital…

…I’m struggling to find any justification for northern orbital route T2 which just seems to link three Park & Ride sites.

It does serve the new Eddington area and also Impington village but these are also well served by Cambridge’s radial bus routes.

Suffice to say my journey on the T2 was a solo affair other than one passenger who travelled the short distance from the Arbury area to Eddington. Two passengers also took a short ride on the T3. The other bus we passed on each route looked similarly sparsely loaded or even empty.

I don’t hold out much hope for these routes generating better loadings. There’s no information about the T2 displayed at the Newmarket Road Park & Ride terminal point other than an entry on the electronic departure sign which shows its destination as Madingley Road Park & Ride … as if any passenger arriving at the Newmarket Road Park & Ride would want to take a bus to another Park & Ride site (via a third Park & Ride site). Totally bizarre.

Hopefully Council Tax payers in Peterborough and Cambrigeshire are valuing these strange new bus routes they’re funding.

Bizarre bus information leaflets and network map

And while on the subject of bizarre offerings from Combined Authorities, take a look at this selection of Travel Guides produced by the West of England Combined Authority, now known as ‘WEST‘ kindly sent to me by blog reader and good friend Paul. On first glance you’re probably thinking – they look great, just what’s needed.

But, take a look inside each leaflet and the information is so basic it’s pretty much useless. No timetables are provided although in a few cases (eg the Keynsham one) there is a list of bus routes…

… and a map of the Keynsham local area.

But the crowning glory is the network map for the area which is also included.

Here it is, slightly larger in case that might help you see just how useless it is.

And that QR code on the front of each leaflet? It simply takes you to the introductory travelwest.info webpage. It’s as much as to put you off travelling.

All electric Warrington

At the other extreme I spent a very positive couple of hours visiting Warrington’s Own Buses a week ago where, aside from a handful of buses, the council owned bus company now has an all electric fleet thanks to last year’s bulk purchase and entry into service of 105 new Volvo BZL buses with MCV bodies – 72 single decks and 33 double decks. Funding came from the Council and the Government’s ZEBRA scheme.

Managing Director Ben Wakerley kindly showed me around the recently opened and impressive purpose built bus depot at Dallam Lane, not far from the town centre, where there are excellent facilities to maintain the new fleet as well as space to charge the vehicles overnight.

I asked Ben about the decision to switch the livery from red and blue to yellow and he explained with neighbouring Greater Manchester and Liverpool City Region both promoting a yellow based livery, it made sense to show passengers Warrington was complementary to what was happening nearby.

Indeed, it was interesting to try and spot the Bee Network bus alongside Warrington’s Own Buses lined up in the town’s bus station.

It’s the double decker.

The bus station itself has a large circulating space behind each departure stand – something other newly built bus stations seem to lack these days (eg Exeter, Halifax and Durham)…

… and also has a much welcome Travel and Visitor Information Centre staffed by Warrington’s Own Buses…

… and even more positive, Ben quite rightly proudly showed me the display of printed timetable leaflets…

…as well as a network map on the wall.

It really was heartening to see a great team of dedicated staff clearly giving a good service and being supported by its local authority owner.

When looking around the depot, Ben showed me the spare panels kept so any slight damage to buses will see them immediately replaced, and he explained it’s one reason why the livery has been kept plain along the lower panel area, which struck me as quite a contrast with the recently launched Weaver brand in West Yorkshire.

Good luck with that, Tracey.

Even Stagecoach struggle with their simple green livery in Cambridge.

Yet another award winning confusing timetable presentation

You’ve got to hand it to Arriva, the team certainly know how to make it as hard as possible for passengers to read their online bus timetables. Following last month’s award for the most confusing timetable presentation (routes 2/3 in Harlow), blog reader Stevie got in touch and trumped that with Arriva’s presentation of its route X93/X94 between Middlesbrough, Whitby and Scarborough.

Not only are the timing points in the wrong order (Middlesbrough and Ormesby Roundabout are at the bottom of the listing, and should be at the top) but journeys on the X94 are shown in three/four separate sections and not even in adjacent columns. For example, the 07:45 departure from Middlesbrough has to be followed in four different moves in three columns, as shown and numbered in yellow notation below, to know the bus arrives in Scarborough at 10:08.

‘SM’ also pointed out in the Comments on last month’s blog a similar situation with Arriva’s 51/51B and X51 in north Wales where through journeys aren’t even shown on the same timetable. However, to ‘Anonymous’ who opined in the Comments the timetables shown on the Arriva website “are automatically generated from BODS and nobody in the Commercial or Marketing teams at Arriva has any control on how the website presents them. Roger is well aware of this, and his blog is starting to get boring. I understand they are in the process of moving to a new web platform to resolve this” …. I would say, firstly if you’re finding this boring, Anonymous, there’s plenty of other websites for you to look at online, secondly, I wasn’t aware Arriva uses BODS for the online presentation for passengers as no other bus company makes such a hash of things, and thirdly, this ‘not-fit-for-purpose’ online presentation of timetables has been in place for five years now and if I was running Arriva I’d immediately take down these timetables and provide a temporary link to the bustimes.org website until a proper presentation can be introduced by a web design company who knows what it’s doing.

Right, we’re already on eight minutes reading time and there’s still quite a lot more “boring” things to catch up on, so for the rest of the blog, it’ll be quickie comments only.

Front Middle and Rear explained in detail

My thanks to Blog reader Roy who sent me this very helpful sign at Glasgow Central whereby Scotrail are helpfully explaining in what order the front, middle and read of a train can be found on the platform.

Makeover for Elizabeth

I noticed the newly refurbished Class 345 trains on the Elizabeth line (yes, I know, it seems like they were introduced just the other day) are now in service and have included a Priority Seat at points along the train with a different coloured moquette. Odd this wasn’t incorporated from the start.

Class 168 refurbished

Also being refurbished are Chiltern’s Class 168 trains and very nice they look too. Unfortunately the train was out of service so I couldn’t get to take an interior photo, but looking through the window it looked very smart.

No tubes “until further notice”

I spotted this rather unhelpful sign at Farringdon at the end of last month giving no clue as to when services would resume or what the problem was.

Off brand

I’ve taken a few rides with Great Northern between Kings Cross and Cambridge during June and each time it’s been a Thameslink Class 700 train rather than a Great Northern branded train.

Even more confusing, one train was telling me I was in coach 11 of 12 when I was actually in coach 2 of 8…

… as confirmed by the Train Loading Indicator screen and the ‘Toilets on this train’ screen.

Even more puzzling was being told the doors of this coach will not open at Kings Cross…

… presumably because the computer thought it really was coach 11 of 12 and we’d be too long for platforms 9 and 11 at Kings Cross.

Very confusing.

Rules for travelling on excel

I was perplexed to be confronted with a Staff Notice advising that “NO HOT FOOD OR HOT DRINKS IN A THROW AWAY CUP ARE ALLOWED ON OUR BUSES” on a recent journey in First’s excel route from Peterborough.

The notice adds “CAN WE ALL PLEASE MAKE SURE WE ADHERE TO THIS SO WE ARE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING WHICH WILL ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM OF GETTING ABUSE FROM THE SAID PASSENGERS”.

I wondered what the “SAID PASSENGERS” make of that display as they board the bus. Mind you “IT IS COMPANY POLICY”, so that’s alright then.

And talking of strange notices, my eye was caught by this rather loud display at Cambridge’s Park & Ride sites which, as well as insisting we all keep two metres apart state “Customers should be aware that when the doors of the bus have closed, the bus is deemed to have left the stop. The driver is NOT permitted to open the doors again. EXCEPT IN AN EMERGENCY.” Not only that but “THIS IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT”.

Well, after 50 years that’s a new one on me. I never knew all those hundreds of bus drivers I’ve praised in times gone by for spotting a passenger after they’d closed the doors only to reopen them and let them on board were breaking the law!

Bizarre.

And one more ‘official officious’ style notice to enjoy for this month is this “Onboard Etiquette” displayed behind the driver on the Cymru Coastliner coach I travelled on from Rhyl to Llandudno. As you can see it’s quite a read as you pass it by to your seat (and remember to look behind you to see it) and still shows its Green Line origins with no equivalent in the Welsh language which won’t go down too well.

I love the way it’s headed “Please take a moment to note….” A moment?! It’s almost as long to read as this blog is becoming.

Not enough gates at KGX

Arriving at Kings Cross on a packed nine coach LNER train recently I was pleased to be at the front and able to hot foot it through the barriers as with only eight exit gates and with another packed train also having just arrived and disgorging its passengers, a long queue was building up as people struggled to scan their mobile tickets and pull their wardrobes on wheels (aka suitcases) through the ticket gate barriers.

Kirkby Stephen’s leaflet display

It’s always a delight to travel on the Leeds-Settle-Carlisle line especially soaking up the lovely scenery and noting how it’s matched by the gorgeous stations along the route.

It’s wonderful to see the great displays of leaflets on hand to encourage passengers to make journeys by bus as well as take walks and other activities in the area.

Darlington’s new footbridge

Work is continuing on the £100 million project at Darlington station to build a new platform on the eastern flank of the East Coast Main Line and I was interested to see the new footbridge…

… now installed across the tracks over the existing platforms which will connect the new entrance/exit and platform.

The artist impression below shows how it will eventually look…

… as well as the new entrance/exit.

City of St Albans

During my visit to St Albans earlier this month I was interested to see this lovely picture on display in the booking hall of a steam locomotive called City of St Albans (obviously at St Albans City, not St Albans Abbey!)

Llandudno in lockdown

It’s been a while since I was at Llandudno station so was pleased to see the improvements to the entrance/exit/concourse area have long been completed and give a much better impression than the old and tired set up.

As holiday makers walk from the train out into the sunshine a bus stop and shelter are positioned immediately ahead with this most unhelpful non information on display.

I can’t believe routes 19/19S, 25 and 75 are still subject to change “in response to Welsh Government Coronavirus restrictions”.

Just for amusement I rang 0800 464 00 00 and after a long drawn out pre recorded introduction in Welsh and English got through to someone at Traveline who wasn’t remotely interested that incorrect and out of date information was on display and advised me to contact Conwy Council. I didn’t bother; life’s too short.

Back inside the station I noticed the Gents toilets…

… were out of action just like my last visit.

However it was nice to see the restored gate line arrangement just like in the olden days.

Class 158 drys up

And while on the subject of toilets I was reminded when using the facilities on a Northern Class 158 just how useless the hand dryer is on these trains. You just can’t beat a Pendolino hand dryer. Best thing about those trains.

Credit where it’s Dews

A shout out to Dews, the bus company in Cambridgeshire for some excellent bus stop information I saw in Chatteris when passing through which even included a lovely map.

Well hidden info

Not quite so easy to see information can be found outside the National Tramway Museum at Crich – my thanks to blog reader Richard for forwarding the photo he took of the Derbyshire County Council departure listings at the bus stop … if you know where it is.

What’s the point of this Bus Information Point?

This Bus Information Point outside Cambridge railway station puzzled me. I tried pressing the button but nothing happened to the display. Perhaps it’s awaiting the end of Coronavirus restrictions as in Llandudno? Meanwhile this display at Addenbrooke’s Hospital bus station is helpful but why do those posting timetables insist on part covering up other notices – why not take them down or move them to the side? It just looks messy and unprofessional.

Windows are for seeing out of…

… not covering with a stylised dragon. It’s as much to give you a headache on a long journey especially when you’d hope to get a lovely view of the North Wales coastline – as seen on 197120 last week.

Avanti’s Useless Delay Repay continues

Further to last month’s update on the previous month’s update, the uselessness of Avanti West Coast’s Delay Repay and Customer Service teams continues unabated. I finally got my full recompense for the two hour delay on my return journey from Glasgow, only to then suffer an hour’s delay returning from Coventry last Saturday after riding the city’s Very Light Rail. Once again my claim was “Unsuccessful” and I was told to speak to “Customer Relations” to provide “further supporting information to proceed with this claim” and once again on speaking to Ali in that department, he had no idea what information was required. And, of course, passengers aren’t allowed to speak to the Delay Repay team to find out.

I can’t express just how useless and unhelpful Avanti West Coast’s customer service is. It surpasses any other experience of awful customer service, so much that I’ll be returning to this subject in a separate blog in due course.

Can you believe this?

And finally for this month. You have to wonder about the judges of the Scottish Transport Awards. Do they ever travel on a bus? I dread to think what the runner up was!

Roger French

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73 thoughts on “Seen Around

  1. Thanks for this – I always enjoy your ‘Seen Around’ blogs! At least four bits of good news this time: I counted Warrington;s Own Buses, Chiltern Trains, Leeds-Settle-Carlisle Railway and Dews bus stop info in Chatteris. Definitely the reverse of boring …

    Look forward to your next blog

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      1. Treasure this something nice for me to say about GO AHEAD

        At Wimbledon today & one of the big modern changes is the 739 London General Special Service to ALTEC no longer runs.

        One my highlights of visiting The Championships every year was wondering around the turning circle where a fleet of Go Ahead buses were always parked up.

        The turning circle is no longer used & has partacabins in it now, although this being Wimbledon they are rather posh partacabins……..

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  2. I attended the excellent Brighton & Hove Regency Roadshow event in Sussex on Thursday to launch the new buses for routes 28 and 29.

    There was derailment last week at Bletchley and this was my first experience of Euston coping under pressure on a Friday night since safety upgrades.

    It so chaotic that looked up the next Chiltern Train to Birmingham which was formed of TWO coaches on a Friday night at 19:02.

    I witnessed concerning scenes with passengers rushing to down the ramps between railings to catch trains and thought to myself …. Hillsborough

    The local MP ought to raise Euston’s ongoing safety issues at Prime Ministers question time but he would be speaking to himself.

    I was taught the first rule safety is “If you see something that’s unsafe get off your backside and do something about it before an accident happens!

    John Nicholas

    P.S Shout out to Megan for buying miniature trees from Poundland to stop the timetables blowing away in Hailsham.

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    1. Oops, Roadshow was of course on Friday. B&H representative said they were contemplating a further roadshow on the Regency route but nothing had been confirmed yet.

      JoNi

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  3. Scottish Transport Awards, no doubt if Arriva still ran in Scotland they would be getting an award for their website. Why do companies bother to enter these events, they will not get any more passengers and waste management time that would be better spent thinking about how they could really attract more passengers

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    1. They do still operate in Scotland, albeit it only one return journey on Saturdays on service X16 Kelso – Newcastle. They were runners up due to their AI created timetable no doubt! You win an award if you can both find it on their website and understand it.

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      1. I found it!! Actually quite easy . . . in via “services and timetables” then enter X16 in the box, and Robert’s your Uncle!!

        The timetable is actually one of the easier ones to understand, once you realise that the through route from Kelso to Newcastle runs under FOUR registrations!! With a through journey time of 2:30 hours . . . I wonder how many through passengers actually travel on it?? And which garage operates it? The X16 appears to need one bus based at Wooler . . . which is 18 miles from the nearest operating centre at Alnwick!

        Perhaps a challenge too far for our intrepid blogger!!

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    2. I thought readers may be interested to read the criteria for the award

      An entry in this category should document how you have employed new technology or a new way of working to bring about great results. Again, we need to see evidence that the project has brought about good results, demonstrated benefits to users and or efficiencies throughout the operation.

      Please note that if your project is very recent, we appreciate that results may be limited

      Did First win on the basis of the last paragraph ?

      Martin W

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  4. The T2 linking P&R sites in Cambridge is bizarre. Reminds me of when I was in Saudi and someone came up with the idea of a bus service linking all the shopping malls around the city of Madinah in a loop operating every 10 minutes in each direction. The rationale was that if someone drove to mall A they could get a bus to mall B. Despite telling them people would just drive the car to mall B fell on deaf ears.

    Needless to say it was a complete flop, as the T2 will be!

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  5. Good morning.Your blogs are never boring. There is a good deal of really useful  information in them. I think that you help a lot of people to gain the confidence to travel on public transport. I think the vast majority of your readers greatly appreciate your efforts.You are so right about Avanti and Arriva – both are awful.Kind regards, KeithSent from my Galaxy

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  6. The Glasgow Central notice would make more sense if the word “of” were removed from the heading. However, even then I can’t imagine how the rear train could leave before the other two. John.

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  7. Oh Roger! I don’t know whether to continue laughing or crying. The appalling standard of customer service and organisational skills on display around the UK is on steroids! As you said, life is too short but wouldn’t it be nice if, by the time our days are done, bus and railway companies provide the basics, to a high standard, consistently?

    Neville

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  8. One thing I have never found Roger’s blogs to be are boring. Far from it! Always informative and entertaining, written by someone who knows the public transport industry. Also, I agree with a lot of what Roger says in his blogs. Whilst it is good to see some positive stories, sadly there is a lot these days that isn’t positive. For example, AI generated timetables. How can a company win an award for something so passenger unfriendly?

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  9. The WECA West of England network map is truly terrible, and sadly it’s made it to lots of bus shelters now.

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    1. Fair to say it is possibly the worst, most useless map I’ve ever seen.

      When you think of what it has replaced…

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  10. Central Connect are starting a servi ce 100 from next month from CAmeridge to CAmberidge research park

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  11. Once again, a good selection of various observations affecting the bus & train industries up & down the land. I was particularly interested in the photos of Stagecoach & Warrington BZLs & your comments that the latter is introducing 105 of these buses. It’s a shame you didn’t ask Warrington Buses MD why he was buying imported vehicles with both local taxpayer’s money along with ZEBRA funding (also taxpayer’s money) while Alexander Dennis has recently announced their intention to close their two main Scottish factories & lay off approximately 400 people. Even Lothian has recently seen fit to turn their backs on their local manufacturer. If the money is coming out of the operators pocket based upon fair technical as well as cost comparisons, then fair enough, but surely not when it’s our money being used to subsidise these purchases.

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    1. You seriously want Warrington to buy rubbish made here rather than quality from abroad? There is a good reason why ADL is shutting, workforce rubbish leading to rubbishly build quality! I don’t do rattles of any kind and nor should any bus company but sadly many have!

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      1. You’ve conveniently ignored the point that our taxes are being used to buy these ‘so called’ superior buses. Furthermore, your unknowledgeable comments about the work force & your desire to see ADL close, speaks considerably more about you than them.

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      2. I think it’s been made clear in the TfL context that the price difference between UK built and Chinese built BEVs could be as much as £100k a vehicle. Now at UK Government level it can argued that most or all of that £100k might be recouped in tax revenue and from other societal benefits, but it’s not the role of local bus operators to create Government industrial policy.

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    2. Simple answer is ADL didn’t have a suitable product, they still don’t if you consider that we still haven’t seen an E200EV in the metal and most of the Warrington order is singles, and Wrights were going bust (Warrington were funded through ZEBRA1 & ordered early before Wrights had secured their future – Wrights picked up a lot of ZEBRA 1 orders placed late after they had been rescued whilst ADL didn’t start picking up until ZEBRA2 rounds when the 400EV was launched, they have lost out on singles to Yutong as they can’t hit the delivery timescales required by the funding for the volumes Stagecoach were ordering) so there wasn’t actually a clear viable UK option available to Warrington. There has been a lot of talk about this but no one making it (including the manufacturers making the complaints) bothers to look at what the actual circumstances are. ADL relied on their partnership with chinese BYD but the spec hadn’t kept up with developments so was no longer competitive, Optare have never developed their range to meet what UK operators want, Wrights nearly went bust just as ZEBRA funding kicked in so lost out on some early orders but have done quite well in late orders & later rounds and Mellor’s Chinese built option came and went between funding rounds.

      Based on the last sales figure period published ADL are still the largest supplier by some way with Wright second & Volvo third but a long way behind. The chinese suppliers BYD & Yutong are 4th & 5th and if you add them together they only just sold more than Volvo and you would have to add together the sales of Volvo, BYD & Yutong to get to the sales of ADL (& since most of the BYD sales during that period would have ADL bodies you could say half of those sales were ADL as well).

      Dwarfer

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  12. So, hot drinks in a non-throwaway cup are allowed on Excel buses?

    On the Cymru Coastliner, it is good to know that the Welsh-speaking passengers don’t need to be taught etiquette (“moesau”).

    Mike (Meic) Ricketts

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  13. Hmm, yes BODS data is used to produce timetables for Arriva and other operators, so if the BODS data is crap then the timetables would be crap. But who is responsible for producing BODS data? That would be the Operator. Oh, and your blogs are never boring Roger.

    David Potts

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  14. Very interesting post. Warrington’s new fleet looks great and demonstrates that buses are local, and should be embedded in the communities they serve, and be an asset to be proud of. I like the logic of having a yellow livery to match the adjacent Manchester and Liverpool. Hopefully ticket integration to make one big network will follow.

    Peter Brown

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    1. Sorry Peter, but that’s muddled thinking! Yes, buses are local – and I think it is reasonably well established that most passengers don’t travel more than 5 miles on a bus. From Warrington, that doesn’t even get you to Widnes (OK, perhaps from the western suburbs)!

      Go Ahead on the south coast includes quite a significant proportion of the old Hants & Dorset “empire”, but they see the benefit of separate local identities in Bournemouth/Poole, Southampton and Salisbury. Whether you like the particular livery/identity is a separate matter, but it does tell passengers that the services are designed to meet the needs of people in those particular areas – hopefully, backed up by matching action.

      The vast majority of the passengers who use buses in Warrington will be from Warrington, and not from Crosby or Rochdale, and the buses there should have an identity that relates to that town, and not to some nebulous regional concept that will be of no relevance to most of the users of the service.

      RC169

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      1. RC169, I think you’ve misunderstood me, or I was unclear. I wasn’t advocating Warrington’s buses being absorbed into the Bee Network or Merseyside, simply integrated ticketing. The ability to get a Warrington bus to the station and a Merseyrail train into Liverpool all via tap on tap off or Combined season tickets etc, likewise for journeys into Manchester. This is very much the German model where multiple operators coexist in a unified fare tariff system.

        Peter Brown

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        1. No Peter, I was referring to your comment “I like the logic of having a yellow livery to match the adjacent Manchester and Liverpool.” – which follows from “…buses are local, and should be embedded in the communities they serve,…”. From my perspective, you are contradicting yourself!

          I’m not sure what your definition of “local” is, but I would suggest a distance of 5 – 10 miles would be about as far as “local” goes. A combination of the Liverpool and Manchester conurbations (including Warrington) would be “regional”. As per my example of Go Ahead on the south coast, even if the ownership is the same, there is scope for local identities, marketing, etc.

          I am aware of the German Verkehrsverbund tariff system, having lived there for more than twenty years. The local municipal operator appears to have no interest in its own corporate image – all of the trams that are less than 25 years old (and some of the older ones as well) are in overall advertising liveries, with no reference to the name of the operator. The buses use the same uninspired overall red used by the Deutsche Bahn, apart from some that are also in advertising liveries. Other bus operators use “dealer white”, and some even have their own liveries.

          The Verkehrsverbund system does demonstrate that it is possible to have unified ticket systems without denying operators the scope to have their own local identities. However, there have been attempts to establish a common livery for buses in Germany – I’m thinking of East Germany in 1988. Most Ikarus buses were in an uninspiring overall buff livery, and many of the Czech-built trams were cream and red. I’m sure you’re not really suggesting we should have something like that in the UK? Actually, we did try it once. It was called the NBC Corporate Identity manual.

          RC169

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          1. RC169, no I’m definitely not advocating for a national livery, I much prefer local identities that reference the area served ie Warrington’s Own Buses, Brighton & Hove, Nottingham City Transport, Salisbury Reds, etc. But given that Merseyside already controls its local trains, and Manchester intends to do the same, and that Warrington is within both areas orbit the prospect of intermodal journeys to/from those cities should be a target market for Warrington’s buses.

            Peter Brown

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  15. Thinking about orbital bus routes, these should have two purposes.

    One – to cater for point to point journeys along the line of route.

    Two – to make suburb to suburb journeys more convenient that travelling into the city centre and coming back out on another service.

    Orbital journeys are made by motorists a lot, for bus passengers they are not easy. To make it easy orbital routes should match the frequency of the radial routes they cross to minimise waiting times, so hourly isn’t frequent enough, and suggests only the first purpose above has been considered.

    Interchange points where routes bisect should be be clearly waymarked and connecting walks should be short. That means bus stops closer to junctions and not a great treck down the road.

    Peter Brown

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    1. I agree, Peter. How many car drivers travel through the city centre between two adjacent or nearby suburbs when there is a by-pass or adequate connecting road? Very few I would think. So in order to provide an effective alternative buses need to replicate what cars can do, especially now that traffic generators are spread so widely across cities including in suburbs and on the edges. And then, yes, frequency and connections become key – Jarrett Walker has a lot to say about this!

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  16. Thank you Roger for another interesting blog; Seen Around has something for everyone.

    That Arriva timetable is so badly presented. Sadly pointing out how poor passenger information is is a bit boring but is necessary. Once people accept the appalling presentation of information, then we can accept further cuts to public transport.

    Gareth Cheeseman

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  17. Farringdon – At least the note said speak to a member of staff showed alternative routes and check tfl website. So to me I think its good enough at the time it was written

    Kings Cross tip – take the lift and use the side exit bit where possible

    Warrington – idea perhaps for Best Impressions to suggest to its clients to keep lower panels plain in the design.

    New vehicle deliveries – perhaps if you could put the country of manufacture of chassis and body that might explain why public funds are managaging not to spend money or jobs in Britain. ( same applies to rail vehicles) (Croydon new trams procurement on its way now

    JBC Prestatyn

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  18. The frustrating thing for me is that I’m sure there are plenty of people who want to join public transport operators, who want to learn and do a good job, and perhaps already know how to produce a proper timetable…yet the likes of Arriva and First appear to be completely uninterested!

    Rant over.

    Frustrated Darryl in Dorset.

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  19. Thank you for an interesting and informative round up. The WECA map looks a strong candidate for your 2025 worst map award. TfL watch out!

    When in Warrington recently, I noticed that each of the North West yellow liveries is actually a different shade of yellow.

    Warrington is a canary shade, Manchester Bee Network a sort of banana shade, and Merseyside a rather darker yellow, the latter also seen in Warrington on Arriva’s 7 from Liverpool and helping distinguish it from Warrington’s route 7.

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  20. Just a small correction… the signs at Glasgow Central are a Network Rail innovation, not ScotRail.

    they make sense to a degree – the station regularly platforms 2, or 3, trains on the same platform – with differing routes, so it is easy for people to get confused!

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  21. I know little about running a bus company and was surprised to see the photo of all the spare body panels stored for quick replacement when required, something the ordinary passenger probably never thinks of during their journey. It would be interesting to know how long these stocks last and which ones are replaced most often.

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  22. Another interesting, if a bit depressing, round up as always and definitely not boring.

    I commented before on the T2/3 being a low cost Super Loop for Cambridge, maybe a full loop would make sense?

    The WEST publicity is exactly what worries me about franchising. Expensive rubbish that no way encourages public transport use. Perhaps Dews can give them some help?

    I do hope there will be inter available tickets around Warrington as all those similar liveries will cause confusion, especially after dark. Poor bus drivers having to explain this not Bee Network bus.

    The Arriva timetables are created in the scheduling system (Optibus) and exported via TransXChange to the website and BODs. BusTimes can read the files okay so there does not appear to be a data issue. It just seems that Arriva’s own website cannot present the files properly. This was an issue in 2019 when the new website was being created and has never been resolved.

    The notice on the cab door of the Excel bus looks to be a staff notice not intended for the public and is aimed at the drivers to stop them balancing cups on the ticket machine and thus avoid accidents.

    Richard Warwick

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    1. is aimed at the drivers to stop them balancing cups on the ticket machine

      Given that the notice refers to drivers “getting abuse from the said passengers”, I think it’s fairly clear that it’s passengers who aren’t allowed to bring hot drinks in takeaway cups on board.

      I assume the staff notice has been taped to the screen by a driver who was fed up with getting abuse and wanted to be able to say “Look, here’s the instruction from the company. It’s out of my hands.”

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    2. The display of staff-aimed information on public-facing channels, especially social media, when operations staff (perhaps not trained in communications) post the same text as has been issued to drivers and forgetting that it may need interpreting for the public. For example in times of disruption they may post the driver diversion instruction on their public website service update page, or use internal references to locations (one example was Bluestar posting about route 1 journeys from ‘Hanover’, not explaining that this is actually Southampton City Centre, Hanover Buildings’. To be fair, they probably have little time to craft messages. 

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  23. Operators are deserting ADL because of appalling quality, it’s nothing to do with price.Chinese EV buses are similar in price to U.K. built vehicles , but much superior in reliability.

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  24. A route like the T2 only makes no sense to people who only see individual bus routes when in reality there is a whole network. This is the mindset of people who see deregulation as a good thing. Thankfully deregulation and its fragmented nonsense is starting to go away. Create a route like the T2 in a franchised or municipal setting like you get in London and Manchester, where capping and hopper fares exist and the route is much more justifiable and useful. Cambridgeshire is going down the franchising route and already subsidies fares for young people, hopefully as it franchises its buses, they will normalise a change of bus to complete journeys by having capping and hopper fares. Also wouldn’t be surprised if Histon and Milton and other places on the edge of Cambridge grow further in the future and then suddenly it all falls into place. Too many towns and cities have really poor public transport if you don’t want to go via the centre.

    Aaron

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    1. I wholeheartedly agree with the need to look at the whole network rather than just individual routes, but even then I’m not sure the T2 makes sense. It really doesn’t appear to link anywhere of much significance to anywhere else of much significance, even when opportunities to interchange with other services are considered. A service catering only for a collection of very minor flows is not going to be sustainable at a realistic funding level, at least one more substantial flow is generally needed to underpin the route. The T1 arguably has this but the T2 does not appear to.

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    2. A northern orbital route for Cambridge makes quite a lot of sense. The T2 doesn’t. Apart from Eddington it avoids all the new development to the north of the city, leaves Impington by a previously unserved road through open fenland to Milton P&R, then avoids all the housing in the Milton Road area, Cambridge North station, Tescos and the retail park in Newmarket Road and all the considerable housing between that area and the Park-&-Ride and instead belts along the A14 where it couldn’t stop even if it wanted to!

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  25. Some of us are old enough to remember that Dennis came back in to the bus world because Leyland had lost sight of the fact that quality and reliability is key.

    Actually I’m amazed that some modern buses haven’t been “blacked” by drivers given their incessant rattles.

    Nigel Turner

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    1. As I tell folk in Brighton that buses rattle due to the state of the roads.

      I had a lovely trip to Devils Dyke on route 77 recently, however returning the bus shook constantly as a result of a long trench following roadworks sinking unevenly in Dyke Road.

      ADL buses have creaked when flexing for years.

      John Nicholas

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  26. Who ever provided the comment for Arriva regarding the X93should have taken five minutes to check before they commented. The data on the BODS site is complete and the public timetable viewer appears to show it correctly. However the data quality reveals that Arriva are not providing their bus working numbers. These are used to join up split registrations, & the Arriva website is joining them up in the wrong order. I think its an issue with their PDF generator

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  27. Like the Class 158’s, Northern’s Class 150 hand dryers are beyond useless & don’t dry your hands at all.

    The Arriva timetable is so confusing & messy almost making them seem like separate buses & poorly laid out as well

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    1. Yes, those Northern 150 hand dryers tend to be fitted in retro disabled toilets like on the 150s, 319s and the 230s (when they were running). I complained about them once but was told they were fine, even though you’d need to hold your hands under a dryer for 5 mins a time. Poor poor design

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  28. Central Connect have announced the launch of Service 100 from Monday 7th July 2025 linking the expanding developments in Waterbeach with Cambridge City Centre.

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  29. Thank you for another enjoyable round up of the best and worst of our public transport. I was going to add the word “network” at the end of that sentence, but thought that was stretching things a bit.

    Steven Saunders

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  30. Your pictures of the inside of the autonomous bus did not show a ticket machine – is this service running free during the trial?

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  31. Thanks for the tip about Pendolino hand-driers. I had assumed that every train onboard hand-drier was a waste of space!

    It’s good to see that the London Underground tradition of extremely scruffy hand-written notices is being maintained at Farringdon. Perhaps they need an annual staff competition for best and worse handwritten public information notices.

    As for entirely useless leaflets and other public “information”, perhaps the agencies who get paid large sums for this drivel should be named and shamed. They may be victims of “rubbish in rubbish out” but in those cases it would encourage them to strongly challenge the quality of the “information” they are being paid to prettify.

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  32. “…a slight purpose for the southern T3 route in that it provides a link from Grantchester and Great Shelford to Addenbrooke’s Hospital…”

    Looking at the map, it appears to be a very “long way round” running via Great Shelford. Is there really not a more direct service from Grantchester to the hospital, even if only by changing buses at Trumpington Park and Ride?

    RC169

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  33. Can someone please explain the logic of branding a municipal bus company “Warrington’s Own Buses” then changing to a livery virtually indistinguishable from that of the metropolitan transport authority? Clearly changed days when municipal undertakings in Lancashire (of which Warrington used to be part) took great pride in local identify.

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  34. Maybe it’s time to stop calling the autonomous trials driver-less and to call them less-driver trials instead.

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  35. Just an update on services in the West Midlands County.

    The hypocrite two faced Labour Mayor of West Midlands Combined Authority; Richard Parker; who doesn’t live in the County & is from Bristol has approved bus cuts in Warley that will leave hundreds of passengers without a bus service. This despite him constantly saying he is returning the bus network to the people.

    Parker had approved the following:

    NXWM 13 Birmingham to Oldbury

    Withdrawn with no replacement.

    This regular service was the 229 under BMMO & 128 under WMPTE/TWM.

    Dozens of roads in Warley will no longer have a bus service after over 100 years of being served.

    NXWM 12A Birmingham to Dudley.

    Again Parker has allowed the service that links the Sandwell Aquatic Centre with the City & Sandwell to be axed leaving residents stranded as to be able to reach the world class sporting venue.

    Thankfully Diamond Bus will run a hourly replacement 12A between Dudley & Oldbury only .

    Given the recent U turns of the national Labour Party it is clear that Labour cannot be trusted with England’s bus network & despite Richard Parker saying he is the saviour of West Midlands Bus he is clearly on a path to reduce route mileage & destroy our bus network.

    Funny how unlike his predecessor I never see this no resident of the West Midlands County ever using our bus network isn’t it ?

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    1. Just a footnote if you think I am fed up with Labours Richard Parker as the useless Mayor of West Midlands Combined Authority his Deputy Mayor Cllr Sharon Thompson; after just a year with him ; announced her resignation this evening………….

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  36. It seems to me that it is extremely confusing for Warrington to be using a similar yellow livery to the Bee Network. It is unlikely that most people are into the subtleties of shades of yellow and may assume these are Bee Network services, with Bee Network fares, including the “Hopper” fare and price capping. As seen here the Bee Network (100) crosses the boundary to Warrington and Warrington cross the boundary to Altrincham (5), Leigh (19) and Wigan (28). Even with clearly different liveries this is a problem – on a recent trip on the X43 “Witchway” to Burnley, somebody boarded at Prestwich, assuming not only that their “Hopper” ticket would be valid but also valid all the way to Rawtenstall!

    A. Henthorn Stott

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  37. One of the minor pleasures of seeing buses in Manchester city centre many years ago (including just into Salford by Exchange station) was the variety of liveries available every day (different reds for Manchester, Stockport, NWRCC, Ribble, Maynes and LUT, different greens for Salford, Bury and SHMD, different brownishes/ cream for Bolton and Oldham, blue/cream for Rochdale and, best of all, blue for Ashton). Warrington should have retained something to distinguish it fron the monoliths on either side.

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  38. The signs at Glasgow could actually do with rolling out other places. Working at a terminus station, you might be amazed at how often I get asked the very question “Which is the front train” where there are multiple trains in a platform. Perhaps more peculiar and still a very frequent one, while stood next to the buffers protecting the concourse the passenger has just walked off of, is the question “What way does the train go?”. When I first used to get that question I thought they meant does it go to X via Y, or via another route. I’d therefore respond “via Y” and would get asked “No, I mean what way does it leave here – that way or that way?” (pointing towards the daylight and towards the buffers and concourse they’ve just walked off of!).

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  39. Well really, Roger! ‘I’m struggling to find any justification for northern orbital route T2 which just seems to link three Park & Ride sites…’ Let me tell you, we sometimes walk from near Histon Road to Eddington and very occasionally do some shopping in Sainsbury’s there. Now, assuming we’re at the right time, we can get our shopping home on the bus instead of walking! Well worth every penny of the £36 mayoral precept levied on all Cambridge’s ratepayers, wouldn’t you say?

    Seriously we have been waiting a long time for a northern orbital service which will do all sorts of useful things like giving sizeable communities a direct link to Cambridge North station which was supposed to change all our lives. This service is wonderful, apart from the fact it’s routed for the most part along roads with no habitation (I suppose it would get held up going through places where people might want to get on and off it), and goes nowhere near Cambridge North Station. Or anywhere else come to that. Dead handy though if you get a Park-&-Ride bus to Newmarket Road just before the hour and then realise you actually parked at Milton or Madingley Road. Or vice versa of course. Happens all the time, you know.

    When I used the T2 it was even more packed than yours, with two other passengers to the shops Histon Road. Obviously saved them waiting for an 8 or an 8A.

    I’m sure CPCA will do a fantastic job of franchising the bus network. By avoiding any habitation whatsoever they can run a really reliable service, and they can continue their practice of not showing any timetables on their website as no-one will need them.

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  40. Some nice insults there- thought Roger asked for none on here

    How can a mayor stop a commercial service being withdrawn? He doesn’t have that power yet, hence the introduction of franchising which judging by your comments you fully agree with

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    1. Sir Andy Street CBE ; the much missed former Mayor of West Midlands Combined Authority;gained the powers of the Office of Traffic Commissioner in March 2023 after Devo2 which along with the revised terms of the West Midlands Bus Alliance allowed the Mayor to block any change of service registration. Due to the very good partnership relationship Sir Andy had with the bus operators he never had to exercise his powers whilst in office.

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  41. As a counter to your issues with Avanti delay repay, I have recently been delayed twice on Avanti and both times my delay repay claim was accepted first time and the money in my account within 5-10 days as expected. You must be very unlucky!

    Phil

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    1. Have to agree with you Phil.

      I encountered a massive disruption with Avanti going to major conference that was easier from Sandwell and Dudley with First than my beloved CHILTERN.

      The repayment was in my account in 72 hours & was most impressed by thier efficency reminding me of the great days of Midland Red West.

      After his major problems on his train into his show yesterday delaying him over 90 mins yesterday I wonder if Bayers legendary Ken Bruce has applied………

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  42. This Bus Information Point outside Cambridge railway station puzzled me.

    Well, yes, Roger. It’s puzzled Cambridge Area Bus Users group, too.

    This has a solar panel above to power it. And a small, non-functioning touchscreen. 🙄

    Enquiries have been made as to who has ownership and responsibility of this latter. Nobody will own up.

    • Not Cambridge City Council (planning authority)
    • Nor Cambridgeshire County Council (highway authority)
    • Nor Greater Cambridge Partnership, (city deal body
    • Nor Cambridgeshire & Peterborough Combined Authority (transport authority)
    • Nor Smart Cambridge (no, us neither)
    • Nor Greater Anglia (responsible for the station)
    • Nor Brookgate (developer)…

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