Andover’s DRT gets soft launched

Tuesday 11th March 2025

The latest addition to the DRT scene ‘soft launched’ last week. Funded by Hampshire County Council’s Bus Service Improvement Plan the service involves two vehicles serving a rural area centred on Andover in the Northern Test Valley.

The operation uses Padam software with on the road operations in the hands of Community First, a community bus organisation with extensive experience running Dial-a-Ride type services in various parts of Hampshire (Basingstoke, East Hampshire, Fareham/Gosport, Havant, New Forest and Winchester) using a “Connect” brand as well as operating scheduled local bus circular route 44 linking Eastleigh and Chandler’s Ford with Hiltingbury

This new service is being branded as Connect Transport On Demand utilising two minibuses on Mondays to Saturdays between 07:00 to 19:00. I’m not sure why, but Community First’s website states “each passenger can make up to 6 single journeys per week”.

It seems very odd to ration use of the service, especially as fairly high fares are charged, there’s no concessionary pass availability and DRT operations are not known for an excess of popularity over availability.

An eight seat Mercedes Vito has been acquired for the service with a 16 seat Mercedes Sprinter currently on loan pending delivery of a new model next month.

The eight seater has two seats alongside the driver and three seats facing each other in the saloon. It would be very cosy if all six seats were to be taken by strangers. You’d also need to unpack everyone if those sitting by the door were alighting after someone sitting in the middle.

The two minibuses use the lay-by alongside the head on stands in Andover’s bus station to facilitate easy boarding and alighting to and from the vehicles but the downside is the waiting area at this point is rather exposed and there’s no seating.

That won’t be a problem in these initial few weeks as there are very few passengers travelling as befitting its ‘soft launch’. No-one currently knows about it.

Indeed I’m grateful to blog reader Andy who tipped me off about the new service last week, himself having spotted the two minibuses parked up last week in the lay-by.

Unsurprisingly with the ‘soft launch’, I had no problem booking a journey using a new Padam generic app called Book a Journey. You can book three days in advance so last Friday I booked a pick up from outside Andover railway station for yesterday morning at 11:40 with Scott duly appearing in the eight seater impressively at 11:39.

Scott had been a bus driver with Stagecoach in the town but switched to Community First to drive the new Connect Transport On Demand service as it provides more convenient shift arrangements for family reasons. He started last week and it turned out I was his very first passenger on Monday.

There was some confusion over the availability of concessionary passes and Scott sought advice on his phone and was told they’re not valid but I pointed out the booking app accepts them and reduces the fare to be paid to zero. To avoid any issues I paid the £4.50 for my two mile, 10 minute ride to Penton Corner on the western edge of town – a bus stop also served by the 20 minute frequency route 8 jointly operated by Stagecoach and Salisbury Reds.

Scott explained destinations available in the Connect Transport On Demand area have been chosen as they’re not served by the existing bus network (or have a very limited service) but my chosen bus stop was en route to those destinations so that was why the algorithm accepted it. A map on the app shows which bus stops are observed by Connect Transport On Demand.

Later yesterday, I received an email from Fabian, who oversees the service for Community First, apologising for the confusion over the concessionary pass availability and confirming the software issue was being pursued with Padam. I later spoke to him on the phone as there was further confusion by Hampshire County Council’s online fares information being different to that posted on the Community First website (which didn’t mention a fare of £4.50).

Fabian confirmed the latter was being updated.

I was pleased to be able to pass on these feedback points demonstrating the wisdom of a ‘soft launch’ perhaps – although I think it’s so ‘soft’ only Andy and I know about it.

When I saw Scott later that morning back at Andover bus station he also passed on the welcome news a promotional leaflet was being printed and will be distributed to residences within the catchment area very soon. Fabian hopes it will all go live “any day now”.

As well as the app, bookings can be made using a phone line answered by Community First for all its Connect services which is when I spoke to Fabian. There’s also a Padam operated generic “Book A Journey web portal” through which you can book a journey.

It’s URL is start.solent.padam.io and it’s been designed to cater for other schemes around the country but currently only has Northern Test Valley and West Wight FYTBus. I can see this adding a layer of complexity for passengers if more schemes (“territories”) are added. The same applies to Padam’s new generic Book a Journey app which now offers both Northern Test Valley and West Wight FYT Bus (see below).

It’s good to see Connect Transport on Demand in the capable hands of a well established Community Transport operator and it’ll be interesting to see if ridership can be generated from people living in villages with a poor, or no, conventional bus service. The funding is for two years with a potential third year extension. Experience of such schemes elsewhere doesn’t inspire confidence this one will work.

Roger French

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31 thoughts on “Andover’s DRT gets soft launched

  1. I can thoroughly recommend Route 8 to any “military” buffs for a full ride through to Salisbury. It goes through several army towns and in good weather one might spot military crests carved into a hillside.

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    1. I have a photo of my late Dad helping to dig out a Bristol Lodekka from snow on this route when he was part of Wiltshire County Council’s gritting and snow plough crews. The section between Amesbury and Salisbury’s Old Sarum on the A345 is quite exposed and back in the days when we had “proper snow” got blocked a few times.

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    1. The typical DRT gets between 1 and 2 passengers an hour and has very high costs, Once the funding runs out they go the failure rate is very high

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    2. @Anonymous. Other schemes fail because the majority of journeys are taken by concessionary fares, so surely charging everyone vs. not charging will help sustain finances.

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    3. A return fare of £11 from Zone 4 to Andover is a significant dent out of the state pension or a disabled persons funds. If full payment by a concessionary pass can not be covered a contribution of up to £3 per journey ( the National fare cap ) would be a compromise.

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  2. This is a DRT I might actually use. My family visits St. Mary Bourne where my late wife is buried. We’d walked there from Whitchurch and taken the bus to Andover afterwards. Last year the previous very slim regular bus service had been reduced to zero. This year at least there now seems to be a possibility of taking the bus again.

    stushurlock

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  3. I live in the area and wasn’t aware of this so good to see that a promotional leaflet is being produced. Given recent cuts to buses in more rural areas around Andover, there could be some potential custom. I will raise awareness in the village in which I live. It will be interesting to see how this works out, however as you say experience of such schemes elsewhere doesn’t inspire confidence this one will work.

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  4. Is this the same Hampshire County Council that has just announced wholesale cuts to tendered services across the county? Yes, it is. Now we know why those cuts are necessary; to start up a vanity project like this which has no chance of ever carrying more than fresh air, and will be quietly dropped in a couple of years time. Words fail me……………………….

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  5. The black minibus does not appear to be displaying any kind of licence/permit – no O licence, community bus permit or private hire plate. Is it legal, even for an 8 seater?

    KCC

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  6. That “up to 6 single journeys per week” limit seems deliberately designed to rule out anyone using it to get to work. I can’t think why unless they are want to stop daily bookings for the same time and journey preventing ad hoc journeys at the same time.

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    1. I feel this is addressing the age old economics issue of supply and demand. The limited supply (two minibuses) can only serve a limited demand (how many people live and work here?). Vehicle availability and peak vehicles requirements do not match, so demand must be artificially limited.

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      1. But what they want in rush hours is a cohort of regular passengers using the bus for the same journeys everyday. That’s literally the only hope they have of breaking even. Prehaps the Welsh approach of running a couple of fixed journeys at school times and on demand at other times is the best one.

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  7. From: HertsLynx DRT – Hertfordshire County Council
    Sent: Monday 10 March 2025 at 16:14:23 GMT
    Subject: HertsLynx Customer Update

    Dear HertsLynx passengers,

    As you may be aware, over the past several months, we have been transitioning management of the HertsLynx service in North & East Hertfordshire in-house to Hertfordshire County Council. The reason for this change is to further our commitment to improving the quality, efficiency, and responsiveness of our services.

    We are aware that as a result of this transition, some users have experienced service disruptions. We just wanted to express our gratitude for your understanding and patience during this transition and kindness to our support team throughout, and we look forward to welcoming you back with a full fleet of vehicles in the coming weeks.

    For all HertsLynx customers across both the North & East and Dacorum services, we’ll be providing 6 credits completely free of charge – this equates to two single full price journeys.

    To access these credits, at the payment page of your booking, press ‘Add discount/subscription’ and use the promocode HERTSLYNX2025.

    If you have any further questions, please contact our team on 01992 555 513, or via email on hertslynxsupport@hertfordshire.gov.uk.

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  8. A difficult area to serve, but the former timetabled Cango network requiring just one Solo on about seven different services clearly sufficed as the network lasted a good few years untouched and loadings on some journeys I observed were often in double figures. Residents, as always in deeply rural areas, planned their shopping trips, which accounted for 95% of the journeys, around the timetable.

    I haven’t been to Andover recently, but notice in the timetable book dated January 2024, that a limited Cango replacement group of services (AV “Andover Villages Connect Taxishare” 4/5/6/8) provided cover. A uniform 1030 in, and 1330 return and operated by Unity Transport. Presumably, these too have bitten the dust and now two vehicles are flying about carrying single passenger loads if any at all?

    Terence Uden

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  9. In an interesting move Simonds have gained a service route in Ipswich. Currently Simonds only depot is in Diss on the Norfolk/Suffolk border. They have recently started working with Flixbus and Ipswich might be a sensible area to have a base for that

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  10. Whilst way out of the area, but the subject of a former blog regarding the folly in most cases of converting to DRT, the Nantwich rural network of services replaced in August last year has sensibly returned to proper bus operation.

    Terence Uden

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  11. Thanks Roger. My elderly cousin lives in one of these villages and now needs help with transport after her husband sadly died in November. She wasn’t aware of it so is going to get it mentioned in the parish newsletter with link to this blog page – hope that’s OK.

    Ah, Penton Corner. Where I bought my first car…..🤫

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  12. An observation that I could have made some long time ago but has only just occurred to me.

    It’s interesting that smaller software houses serving the DRT issue seem to be developing their own map informed routing engine (although there may be something bought in behind the covers).

    Two of the big supermarkets buy in a very powerful real time routing engine for their slotted ecommerce deliveries from mega-software company Oracle (who bought the solution from a startup called Sidewinder). It’s very efficient and very good at squeezing the most of a fleet of busy vehicles. Likely too pricey for this use, and would need a lot of “wrappering” to correctly limit the zone where jobs could be accepted. Unless the big supermarkets & Oracle could do a deal to “share” their instance as a social donation (with Oracle’s agreement). Maybe could even develop a concept “grocerybus”–temp controlled van with a row of “crew seats” in the back, delivering both people and a mixture of “same day” grocery orders and pre-booked grocery orders

    Anon.

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      1. Central Connect are stepping in to provide a replacement for the Arriva 133 which is being withdrawn

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  13. Roger, given the few differences in this operation (i.e. 8 seaters, no conc passes, what look like commercial fares et al) and in comparison to the other D-DRT services you’ve experienced, do you think this any chance of success?

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  14. Another waste of money! At that kind of prices & concessionary passes not being taken it is in effect a glorified Uber. So many of these “new” Dial a ride type services just fade away taking the money with them!

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  15. Simonds/Central Connect are expanding, Simonds take on some of the Norwich P&R from April. They are also going to operant the Ipswich service 14. In Broxbourne they are taking on the new HL1 service, They are also taking on the Braintree to Stansted air port service, They are also taking over the services 322,323, 324 and 335 from First Bus

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  16. My otherwise fantastic trip on Route 8 from Andover to Salisbury on 23/08/2009 was tinged with absolute sadness. “We” were still in Afghanistan, then! As I was aboard W&D 3613 [HF03HJY], going through the several military towns I could not fail to notice within the enclaves of “married quarters” the offices of “Family Services”! It would have been agonising work for those working for the Army’s “Family Services” delivering devastating news about loved ones who would never darken doorsteps again. Through my love of football, I have noticed the memorial stone to the Welsh Guards Lt Mark Evison inside a porch of the Charterhouse School memorial chapel lost to enemy action in 2007. This chapel was itself built to commemorate the school’s First World War dead. Having watched several UK military boxing tournaments on You Tube recently, all us civilians should realise the absolute commitment of those who wear the King’s uniform and demonstrate that commitment in kit, boots and gloves during well run military boxing tournaments. In war, there is no referee!  

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  17. Andy here, the informant mentioned in the blog. Used the service yesterday to visit two rural pubs. Felt more like a taxi to be honest, unsurprisingly no sharing of buses with anyone else. All three trips were fine and drivers reported it as the busiest Saturday so far, with weekday mornings also getting busy. The larger EVM is now in use and us far nicer than the Vito which creates lots if road noise as well as being quite cramped.

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