Seen Around

Thursday 30th January 2025

Another month end; another round up of things I’ve ‘seen around’ but not blogged about.

STP takes over KGX

First up this month is my journey from London to Newcastle last Saturday which coincided with the closure of Kings Cross and the East Coast Main Line between London and Peterborough to enable the new digital signalling system to be tried out as well as an opportunity for more track, drainage and overhead line improvements. The same closure arrangements are in place this weekend and I would strongly advise any north east bound readers from London (and vice versa) to travel on anther date if possible.

East Midlands Railway staff, along with a huge army of agency staff and a few LNER staff ‘on loan’ were doing their best over at St Pancras to cope with the huge increase in passengers having to use the Midland Main Line as an alternative but with no extra trains provided and measly five coach Meridians plying their way up to Sheffield, trains were bursting at the seams with over crowded conditions on board.

A queuing system was in place at St Pancras which brought some semblance of order…

… but once the firing gun had gone off announcing the next Sheffield departure all hell broke lose, not least because for over two months EMR hasn’t had a functioning seat reservation system, so all its trains have been free seating meaning it’s the survival of the fittest when it comes to grabbing a seat on a busy train.

It was evident the gateline wasn’t coping very well with incoming passengers not least with tickets marked for LNER leading to lots of queries.

I know the trains were busy with passengers standing down the gangways but I would have thought a full ticket check could have been carried out on board, not least on EMR trains running non-stop from Leicester down to St Pancras giving ample time for the Train Manager to squeeze through.

The official alternative travel plan is for northbound passengers to take EMR’s half hourly Corby bound train as far as Bedford and then a replacement bus across to Peterborough and pick up LNER from there (and vice versa for southbound passengers). But the bus adds an hour and 48 minutes on to the journey and I found it as quick and less hassle to go via Sheffield and try my luck with a five coach Cross Country train on from there, although as readers will now realise I actually stopped off in Sheffield for some motorway service area bus riding and ended up continuing via Rotherham and Doncaster.

Lumo and Grand Central are running coach replacements between Kings Cross and Peterborough while Hull Trains are diverting two trains into St Pancras.

Doncaster’s platform signs don’t line up

Continuing my Newcastle bound journey with a change of trains in Doncaster I was impressed to see the continued improvement to LNER’s station signs indicating where to wait on the platform for the next train. I caught the 14:55 Cross Country train to York and noted coach B was unreserved and would stop in zone 7 (see above photo) but not only that, by zone 7 there was another electronic sign confirming that’s where coach B would stop. Fantastic.

Except when the train came in, the driver continued to the end of the platform and coach B ended up closer to Zone 10 and it was coach D which stopped in zone 7. What a waste of all that investment in electronics. All it does is annoy and frustrate passengers rather than help them.

However, more positively, I do like the electronic looking analogue clocks LNER have installed at its stations including Peterborough, also sporting a digital display which I guess is for those youngsters who don’t know what a clock face is.

It takes all kinds of people

When in Newcastle I spotted the North East Combined Authority’s promotional campaign to remind everyone “all kinds of people” take the bus “to all kinds of places” with bright colourful posters depicting colourful scenery and landmarks from around the area. Except it’s obviously important to also let pedestrians in Newcastle know that “DO NOT WALK ON THE ROAD” and, of course, a “WARNING CCTV cameras in operation”. You can’t be too careful when it comes to promoting bus travel.

Three cheers for Porth’s Interchange

Yes, it’s finally open. Porth’s much awaited Transport Hub is officially open today (Thursday) with the barriers taken down to allow passengers to explore the facility with the site coming into use on Sunday. It’s been a long wait as readers will recall from my blog last month. (Many thanks to Andrew for letting me know the good news.)

This green bus is a red bus

I recall a New Routemaster being on loan to First Bus in Leeds back in 2014 and am pretty certain it was the one I photographed (above) at Potters Bar earlier this month – LT2 – still in the green livery it wore for that trial. That’s over 10 years ago without a repaint! What a shame it’s not in the original London Transport Country Bus green (or even the London Country green) which would be appropriate for route 313 which the bus operates on being allocated to Arriva’s garage in Enfield.

A lesser spotted green Stagecoach livery

And talking green liveries, while in Canterbury the other day I saw a few buses sporting the ‘ocean green’ coloured version of Stagecoach’s updated livery introduced amid much fanfare in 2020. These were designed for “specialist services” such as Park and Ride and are very rare to spot. The justification for doing away with much respected and loved local liveries (such as the King’s city in Winchester) was research indicating such localism caused confusion among passengers. Like using Park & Ride liveries on local bus routes doesn’t?!

Barnet Hospital looks blank

I’ve noticed more and more TfL timetable cases have bland information in them these days rather than departure information for all the routes that may serve the stop, so perhaps this bus stop alongside Barnet Hospital is the latest trend to avoid providing even bland information?

Ashford’s interesting shrubbery

While passing through Ashford earlier this month my eye was caught by small frames and photographs planted in the pots containing shrubs on platforms 5/6. On closer examination they were part of a series depicting trains passing through the station. A nice touch.

Buses from Eastbourne station

I recall it took a huge effort to get real time signs showing bus departures introduced on the concourse at Brighton station back in the early 2000s when the Siemens system was first introduced at Brighton & Hove Buses. Thankfully, with improved technology, such signs are much more common place and I recently noticed the above helpful and clear sign at Eastbourne prominently displayed as you leave the station concourse. A diagram on the adjacent pillar showing where the stops are located would be the icing on the information provision cake.

Wait at the far end

I’ve reported on this before but it still annoys me, so here it is again…. alighting from a five coach LNER Azuma train at Grantham station and of course the driver takes the train right up to the far northern most end of the platform. As you can see it was a nice sunny day, but had it been raining all the waiting passengers would have got soaked waiting for the train as it completely passes the canopy. It really is time this was sorted out as even on a nice sunny day you can see how far passengers have to walk to reach the footbridge, and the exit from the station, especially if they’re in the front of the train.

Where’s the return?

Another LNER fare anomaly hit me the other day when I travelled from Hassocks to Bottesford (on the Grantham to Nottingham line served by EMR) to try out the new FoxConnect DRT in Leicestershire. The ticket office in Hassocks Station was closed, nothing unusual about that,…

… and the ticket machine by the London bound platform ticket gates was out of action.

Fortunately the ticket machine by the Brighton bound platform gates was working, but when I typed in Bottesford it would only offer me a single ticket or even a 7 Say Season or 7 Day Travelcard, whatever that would be.

As I wanted to buy a return ticket and wasn’t sure how much the price differential with a single would be, I decided there was no alternative but to board the train without a ticket having taking the above photographic evidence to show any Revenue Protection Officer I might encounter on route to St Pancras. While travelling up to London on the Thameslink train it occurred to me even though Bottesford isn’t served by LNER, nor even being located on the East Coast Main Line, it could be part of that company’s “trial” of doing away with return fares and only offering single tickets at half the price of the previously available return. Looking up the fare on the helpful brfares.com website confirmed there were no return prices available so realising that was the situation, I used my smartphone to buy a ticket using the Southern app only to find it would only sell me a ticket that had to be collected from the station.

The joys of rail ticketing. And the moral of the story is … passengers need to know what Train Company controls what fares to what station, even though that Train Company doesn’t run trains to it, and be aware of its current policies and “trials”.

That’s all clear then (not)

These seats to be found in the waiting room at Honiton station are for those with accessibility needs, including sight difficulties, so it might be an idea to make the explanatory display a bit more prominent. (Thanks to John for sending this to me.)

Has anyone got a vital part for two escalators at St Pancras

It’s not uncommon to find one of the seven escalators between the Thameslink platforms (A and B) and the main concourse at St Pancras station (via a landing) out of use these days but things have got worse this month two of the bank of three between the concourse and the landing have been out of action for at least 10 days.

While repairs are awaited it seems strange that it’s passengers climbing up who are inconvenienced and having to use the stairs rather than those coming down, although I appreciate this may be to do with the entry and exit arrangements at the gateline and there being no wish to swap those directions over during the temporary hiatus.

More space at Euston

Another retail unit has been removed at Euston to create more space for passengers to walk to and from the platforms (before, above – and after, below).

This time it’s the former Bookshop unit next to Oliver Bonas in the north east corner of the concourse. The space created provides more room for passengers to reach the toilets and platforms 1, 2 and 3. Good to see.

Cross Country’s outrageous rip off

I don’t buy many Advance tickets these days, preferring the flexibility offered by off-peak returns and super off-peak returns, but when I do, I still like the traditional method of picking up an orange printed ticket from a ticket machine by using the eight digit code provided when you complete an online booking. As the screen print from EMR below shows, “Collect your ticket at a station” appears after the eticket option.

Cross Country uses the same software as EMR and I was astounded to see it charges £1 for the privilege of passengers collecting a ticket from a ticket machine at a station. What an outrageous rip off which I understand has been its practice for many years.

It’s the last time I’ll be buying a ticket from Cross Country. I understand the justification for a charge is the company has to pay 40p to the train company that runs the station where the ticket machine is located whereas an eticket avoids that cost. Roll on Great British Railways when such ridiculous inter-company charging will be irrelevant (as it is even now with all revenue going to the Government).

Rail Sale bargain basement

I eagerly clicked on this month’s Rail Sale website to see what great bargains would be available for me to grab for travel over the next few weeks. As you can see from the screen print above I entered my local station – Hassocks – and rather than click no end of possible destinations to see if there was a bargain to be had, thought I’d go with the “*Inspire me” option. Wow, look what great destinations I could reach for just £3.50.

Among the delights on offer for just £3.50 were a whole raft of stations on the Mildmay and Windrush Overground lines and even Victoria which I hadn’t been to for at least a couple of days. Suitably inspired and deciding to pay a visit to Canada Water, I clicked on “Show Retailers” which took me to a long list of train companies (in fact, all of them) and a host of online retailers, some of which I’d never heard of as shown in the small extract of the first screen below – there were many more….

… including Southern itself, and as my proposed journey to Canada Water was under a Southern logo I clicked on that to be taken to the Southern website with no information about the Rail Sale.

I gave up.

Bakerloo Line fades away

The Bakerloo line is famed for running vintage trains which wouldn’t be out of place in the London Transport Museum and despite the urgent need for their replacement as they soon celebrate their 53rd anniversary, staff do their best to keep them serviceable, but one train I travelled on recently could usefully have its Tube maps replaced as they were looking somewhat faded.

I hear the Mayor is in need of some media coverage at the beginning of February so tomorrow morning will be launching new bus route BL1 to run limited stop (Superloop style) between Elephant & Castle and Lewisham making the point that’s what he’d like the Bakerloo line to do.

The route won’t actually begin until later in the year, and it’s rumoured the seat moquette on the buses will be as used on the Bakerloo line. Which will be a nice touch.

Maybe the line diagrams on stations and inside the trains should have the BL1’s bus stops added to really make the point.

DfT staff getting on a bus

I was interested to see in Reading Buses’ weekly staff bulletin earlier this month an item explaining how “a large delegation from the Department for Transport” visited the company “to see how we do it”. I’m sure they were impressed with what they saw and heard and I see it was reported “they were very impressed by the specification of our buses” which did make me think these civil servants advising politicians really do need to get out of London more often to see just how good things are in many towns and cities and realise “London style” buses are good, but others are even better.

Rotherham’s Interchange

My visit to Rotherham Interchange last Saturday was the first time I’d been there since its £12 million refurbishment in 2019 and I must say how greatly improved the facilities are for passengers including a customer services desk…

… smartcard dispensers and bus map displays…

… and each of the 24 stands has helpful information showing where to catch buses as well as departure times.

There was even a map showing rail and tram lines across the region.

Well done to SYT.

Integrated information continues in the Lakes

It’s great to see Northern Rail continues with its twice-a-year timetable booklet showing both its own train times and principal bus routes operated by Stagecoach throughout the Lake District. The latest edition from 15th December to 17th May is now out.

Avanti’s seat availability

I see Avanti West Coast’s new class 807 seven coach trains can now display the actual number of seats available in each coach – hopefully the technology can detect when a bag occupies a seat so the information is as helpful as it can be. It certainly saves wandering all through the train hoping it’ll be quieter further along.

Farewell to the number 118

And finally for this month it’s farewell to another London bus route number – this time the long standing 118 (Brixton to Morden) which runs in that form for the last time tomorrow (Friday) after 80-90 years.

From Saturday the 118 becomes a 45 by virtue of an extension of that latter route so instead of terminating at Clapham Park just west of Streatham, the 45 will instead head south from Streatham over the existing 118 to Morden. The small section of route between Streatham and Clapham Park will be covered by a diversion and short extension to route 59.

The downside for passengers between Brixton and Morden is having to get used to looking out for the number 45 instead of a 118 and TfL rather strangely (and somewhat alarmist) has posted notices saying the route is withdrawn rather than more accurately saying it’s being renumbered.

The upside for TfL is by chopping off the northern end of the 45 and changing it’s northern terminus from Elephant & Castle to Camberwell Green, it’ll save the cost of running six buses an hour over a 15 minute journey time which must mean an economy of at least three buses and getting on for 500 miles a day and associated driver time.

Oddly, with the 45 being withdrawn north of Camberwell Green, the bus stop poster advising about that on the affected bus stops doesn’t use the word “withdrawn”, but just advises buses on the route “will not stop here” leaving passengers to read the small print.

Passengers between Elephant & Castle and Camberwell Green won’t suffer unduly through the loss of the 45 though as they’ll still have around 47 buses an hour on routes 12, 35, 40, 68, 148, 171, 176 and 468 to choose from, with the usual encouragement from TfL to use the hopper fare if making a through journey that’s no longer possible.

More miscellany at the end of next month.

Roger French

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58 thoughts on “Seen Around

  1. Whilst about my lawful occasions yesterday, I arrived at Peterborough Station just before 1430 to observe a 5-coach IET sitting at the south end of Platform 1. Oh oh, I immediately thought . . . major disruption on the ECML, and a shuttle service is in operation south of PBO. No . . . it was the 1324 from Lincoln that had pulled up at the south end signal . . . fully two car lengths beyond the canopy!! Cue much galloping towards London by the passengers; including one lady who had a choice of carrying baggage, or her coffee . . . she tried very hard, but managed to drop the lot!!

    As Roger has said before . . . WHY?? It’s not just the ECML . . . at Farringdon, southbound Thameslink trains stop short of the signal, alongside the narrowest part of the platform . . . cue more galloping of passengers from the wide end and the stairs . . . WHY? What happened to common sense??

    And again at Peterborough . . . nice new information screens, lots of information . . . but these screens have the little man in the corner signing the train information. All well and good, but when you’re waiting for information on your train in 20 minutes time, the little man delays showing your information whilst he scrolls through signing 6 trains . . . you almost lose the will to live waiting!!

    And . . . this is a genuine enquiry . . . what extra info does a deaf person get from the signing? Surely the screen shows the same details? If it helps, jolly good . . . but I really don’t get it . . .

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    1. I believe that the use of sign language is to assist people with hearing loss whose English language skills may not be great. A lot of people who grow up profoundly deaf have reduced skills at reading and understanding written words. When you think how language skills are absorbed, much is via listening; remove that sense and it becomes much more difficult to acquire those skills. Sign language is a visual medium and thus is as easy for those without hearing as those with.

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    2. As I’ve said before, LNER trains draw to the end of the platform because that’s what someone in LNER’s hierarchy has decided is “safe”. I do wish Roger would stop implying it’s the driver’s choice; it’s not.

      If an LNER driver stops short of that stop board, it’s treated as a safety incident with all the associated crap the modern railway likes to throw at train drivers for minor incidents. Six months of continuous data recorder downloads and monitoring would be the least of it.

      That Thameslink are also doing it implies to me that the person-from-LNER has moved on to spread sweetness and light and “safety” bullsh1t on TSGN.

      No doubt they’ll be one of the first senior recruits for Great British Railways, too. Be afraid.

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      1. In FCC days they removed the intermediate stopping point at Hatfield on platform 3, so the ECML has had this “meddling” for years unfortunately. Walked 5 carriage lengths back along the platform enough times after getting off a 313 to remember it well with contempt…

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  2. Nice to see a route map on display at Rotherham- it might be a nice touch to have some paper ones to distribute too. These disappeared about three years ago- I believe it’s called ‘marketing’ (?)

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  3. I thought short trains went right to the end of the platform [such as at Peterborough] to allow the conductor/guard to obey the rule about being able to see the starter signal is clear before giving the right-away.

    How this applies to the northbound platform at Grantham, though, I’m not sure, for as far as I remember, there’s no signal on the north end of the ECML platform. It also means you almost need to be skilled in rock-climbing as the cant in the line through the curve means quite a gap between the platform and the train.

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    1. | I thought short trains went right to the end of the platform | [such as at Peterborough] to allow the conductor/guard to | obey the rule about being able to see the starter signal is clear | before giving the right-away.

      In a word, no.

      In more than one word, if there is no sight line for the guard (conductor is just one of the many names for a guard) then an Off indicator should be fitted instead.

      The current thing of short trains going to the end of long platforms is down to some tick-box manager deciding that train drivers are too stupid to notice the difference between a 5- and 10- car formation.

      Intriguingly the higher train drivers’ pay gets, the more they’re treated by the railway’s ‘safety’ bureaucrats as particularly stupid three-year-olds.

      Just wait until those same bureaucrats get their way on installing CCTV monitoring in drivers cabs (after mush industrial disruption, of course) and discover just how many train drivers have to pee in bottles while driving because of their lack of access to toilets (well, without causing delay that they get disciplined for). That’ll cause some screaming.

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  4. Route BL1 between Elephant & Castle and Lewisham: I knew that if I lived long enough the Green Line concept would be back!

    Neville

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  5. For another lack of common sense in many Northern Line tube stations when its raining “Floor May Be Slippery When Wet” . well TfL why not make the floor out of tiling that is less slippery than the shiny stuff you are using/ specifying?

    For the 118 apart from being a long standing route number ( though the northern terminal ends have been changed around from the years from what I recall as Clapham Common Old Town ) its claim to fame was being featured in one of the 118 118 directory enquiry private numbers adverts on the TV. I think I would have preferred the 45 Withdrawn and the 118 extended numberwise but look forward to the increased frequency the 45 should bring assuming its not going to be service controlled south of Mitcham for example. The route also features the “check road ahead” notices on bus flags along part of the Mitcham Common area

    DfT “they were very impressed by the specification of our buses” When I was working in part of the Department (20 years ago) one of the collegues jobs was to specify much of the minimum standard for bus accessibility (which TfL refused to participate in unless it was their ideas that were to be the standard) , another collegue was rail vehicles (and no I dont blame him for voyager internals). Unfortunately in dealing with predominantly disabled access the slightly less ambluent , and sometimes the supposed walking capable passenger did seem to get overlooked for low floors etc. but at least we got visible handrails and contrasting and sufficient bell pushes.

    BL1 – WHY to politicians announce things and then fail to implement in one go , if its a good idea, and you have the funding , get on with it. Maybe it should be launched with the Capitalcard Bus (is that still up at Ongar ?) Will BL1 charge rail fares and integrated to the tube zone rather than a Bus fare (did that happen with the Docklands Buses pre DLR ?)

    Midland Mainline (or whatever it is) indeed why doesnt Great British Railways actually get on with ensuring operators put on longer trains when they are running services advertised as alternatives for closed routes ?

    Is that Bus Stop Z with 13 London Routes on the flag the most number of routes at one bus stop in London ?

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    1. Bus stop ‘Z’ is beaten for the high number of routes by bus stop ‘R’ at Elephant & Castle. Stop ‘R’ is served by all of the same routes apart from the 42, but is also served by the 136, 343, P5 and N343, making sixteen routes (12 x daytime plus 4 x ‘N’-prefixed night routes) at a single stop. Until the end of tomorrow, when it loses the 45.

      Malc M

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    2. Midland Mainline (or whatever it is) indeed why doesnt Great British Railways actually get on with ensuring operators put on longer trains when they are running services advertised as alternatives for closed routes ?

      Midland Mainline hasn’t existed since 2007 since your Department insisted on merging it with the eastern half of Central Trains. Great British Railways doesn’t exist yet as an operational authority.

      East Midlands Railway can’t put on longer trains because your Department wouldn’t allocate them sufficient trains to run the services the then-franchise was mandated to introduce, which is another demonstration of your Department’s incompetence. As it stand East Midlands Railway is struggling on a daily basis to resource the services it does operate despite not introducing the additional services the franchise was supposed to run.

      It’s time ‘civil servants’ stopped blaming the victims for the inevitable results of the decisions those civil servants make, but that’s probably far too much to hope for.

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  6. JBC Prestatyn

    for rail sail selling sites, I wont use trainpal ( its Chinese and I dont trust it), but who owns ticketyboo ?

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  7. JBC Prestatyn

    Removal of Shop Units at (Euston)

    But how does this square with Labour’s indication that the nationalised railway will privatise the stations to gain financial gains from commercial activities and development ?

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  8. Just read the first part so far about St. Pancras and EMR. I’ll get on to the remainder in a moment! However, it chimed with my own observations about the East Midlands station there. I’ve seen huge problems during “normal” disruption. There simply isn’t enough room at the mezzanine level on that side of the station. The full-width deck needs to be completed back at least as far as the “up” escalators. The St Pancras rebuilt for Eurostar has reached its capacity limits for all of its mainline services, but it looks as if only the international part will be getting any attention.

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  9. It certainly seems to a general bus user that the simplest way of dealing with the 118/45 change would seem to have been to just “extend” the 118 to Camberwell and “withdraw” what was left of the 45, which once went all the way from South Kensington to Archway. But I assume it was more convenient to TfL to keep the 45? Whether, as has been suggested, it might be down to timing of contract changes or a reluctance at TfL (after the 11 and 16 proposals) to “withdraw” low numbered routes, or some other reason I don’t know?

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  10. Those Stagecoach Omnicities in Specialist livery are usually allocated to the “Uni1” and “Uni2” routes but are sometimes found on the town routes.

    ~Cliff Duncan

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  11. Surely the temptation to buy a £3.50 single from “Redspottedhanky” to Haggerston (wherever that may be?) was almost too difficult to overcome. Just about sums up the current state of our woeful railways where every single journey I now take is fraught with cancellations and delays!

    And yes, whilst SYT may be good at producing poster information, why is it too much trouble to print information. And that goes for many other organisations. To see leaflet racks at stations and bus interchanges throughout the UK bursting with every possible pursuit but decent area maps or timetables is just an absurdity.

    Terence Uden

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    1. whilst SYT may be good at producing poster information

      SYT was the bus operator created from South Yorkshire PTE at deregulation. It’s currently called First South Yorkshire.

      I think both you and Roger are referring to the organisation which, according to the branding on the posters, calls itself “Travel South Yorkshire” but is probably now part of the South Yorkshire Combined Authority.

      It was much easier when it was just SYPTE!

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    1. You are correct, we specifically decided to repaint it in the odd shade of green to mark its own history as one of the first NRM batch that went on tour, rather than correct it to the one of the historic greens. Those responsible liked the one-of-a-kind it had become!

      P

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  12. I think the “skill” in producing printed timetable books has been lost.

    The recent Konect books for Norwich have print that is too small and timetables that go across page joins … in at least one case a through journey requires flipping pages! Provably fine on a screen, but very poor otherwise.

    GoAhead in Oxford, the IOW and Bournemouth seem to manage … why not elsewhere??

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    1. Will Konect survive? They have lost the Norwich P&R contract from end of March and that is a lot of their work

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  13. “Pedestrians do not walk on the road”. Oh yes they (I) do. Perhaps a colon is needed in the sign.

    John

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    1. Perhaps a colon is needed in the sign.

      I suggested using a colon, for clarity in a sentence, to someone who’d written a story online and got told that the only punctuation anyone ever needed to use was the comma and the period (by which they meant a full stop).

      This was a British author, not an American, for what it’s worth.

      I feel very old sometimes.

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    1. I read that article. They actually wanted to get to Crewe! Anyway, it was the usual nonsense of comparing apples with chalk. They obviously had never heard of split tickets which would have got them where they wanted in less time, at roughly the same cost and without enduring the joys of Arrivals at Manchester.

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  14. The decline in the Bakerloo Line’s 1972 stock maintenance, and signage quality is down to each trainset waiting being refurbished, the last refurbishment was in ~2018 which only included new seat fabrics fitted, and new brown-coloured handrails.

    The newly refurbished trains now include a wheelchair bay area and new interior LED signs as part of the new Audio Announcement system that TfL is installing to the trains, new LED lighting to replace the old fluorescent-tube lighting as well, as the EU has banned such lighting. My guess is that TfL don’t think that they’ll be able to acquire enough funds to replace the old trains.

    It is technically less-refurbishment, and more Modifications to make the trains RVAR compliant.

    I think they are still going through the train upgrades, but not sure.

    Some of these videos show the interior changes: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1972+Stock+train+refurbishment&sp=CAI%253D

    This doesn’t excuse the quality of the interior maps, graffiti onboard some of the trains, etc.

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    1. TFL simply do not seem to maintain the trains to the high standard they used to. The 1934 tube stock in spite of its age was maintained well until its end

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      1. @anon 10:19

        If I wanted to split hairs, I might point out that the trains are operated and maintained by London Underground Ltd, as they have been since 1985.

        Is the maintenance worse now that LUL is a subsidiary of TfL? My recollection from the mid-to-late 1980s, when I was employed as a guard on LUL, was that the rolling stock was a bit scruffy and not in top condition mechanically. Minor defects were quite common. Then, yhe Underground was suffering from a backlog in investment as a result of constrained funding – sound familiar?

        Perhaps it is remarkable that the 1972 stock has now served London for even longer than the 1938 stock did.

        Malc M

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  15. Couple of Blank Blinded buses around Morden, some “serving” bus stops which appear to be route learning for the 45 about 1 driver and two others on board.

    JBC Prestatyn

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  16. Looking at Rober Munsters Bus and Train user website I think the consultation for the 118/45 change was (Deliberately?) misleading.

    Robert writes

    45 Existing route withdrawn except between Brixton and Camberwell.

    New number for route 118, Morden to Brixton then on to Camberwell via current 45.

    See route 59 for replacement service to Clapham Park.

    Contract retained by Transport UK with 17 existing hybrid double deckers. (5 years)

    New timetable with buses running every 12 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes,

    15 mintues early mornings, evenings and Sundays.

    First and last bus times are similar to route 118 except for an earlier journey from Morden daily#

    and the last journey towards Morden on Saturdays and Sundays is approximately 1 hour earlier. 

    A) So that is 12mins as the 118 was, not 10mins as I anticipated the service would be per 45 headway

    B) I think Robert means that the earlier from Morden journey (0355) is withdrawn (effectively this was a London General Posisitioning to get to Brixon for first north from Brixton. With N133 covering some of the route ? this might not be a loss of significant capacity

    C) loss of 4 services north from Mitcham / Streatham Vale to Morden has to be a regret / deficiency in “more resources to the suburbs” Khan mantra (or TfL 25 years of making every journey matter

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  17. There is plenty to admire about Reading Buses. Like London, Reading Buses offer a “transfer” fare for a single journey. Unlike London, Reading Buses charges extra for the privilege(?) of needing to take two buses to reach your destination. A “transfer” journey in London is £1.75. In Reading, £3.40 (or save yourself 10p by using an app). A bit of a difference there. Even if you do a round trip and are capped (and Reading’s daily cap is cheaper than London’s), you still pay more than you would for the same round trip in the capital.

    Meanwhile, last summer, I travelled on a bus with one mismatched seat cushion, and etching on the front upper deck window. The operator? Reading Buses. That is not to knock all the good stuff that they do, but merely to show that even “shining examples” aren’t always perfect.

    Malc M

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  18. The joys of rail ticketing. Hardly surprising that the machine at Hassocks didn’t offer to sell a non-existent ticket. Although the inconsistencies between whether a return ticket is or is not available, or whether an off-peak or super off-peak is valid at a particular time, do make it bewildering (and if it can confuse a transport professional, goodness knows what the ordinary travelling public are expected to make of it)

    Does the bus industry do it better, though? That rail journey uses three different operators to reach the destination, and a single ticket for the whole journey is available. If I wanted to travel by bus from, say, Andover to Gosport, both within the same county, could I buy a single ticket (let alone a return) which would cover the whole journey?

    Malc M

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    1. If I wanted to travel by bus from, say, Andover to Gosport, both within the same county, could I buy a single ticket (let alone a return) which would cover the whole journey?

      Would that journey would be covered by the Discovery ticket? The western boundaries of that ticket seem fairly difficult to ascertain, and I suppose it would also depend on the operators used.

      Stagecoach South do seem to imply that it’s valid for all their services as it shows up as a valid ticket when doing journey searches as far west as Salisbury.

      Just had a quick nose at Traveline which suggests the fastest option by bus is Andover – Winchester – Fareham – Portsmouth, two Stagecoach segments and one First, so I guess it would be 3 x £3 singles as I don’t think First accept the (£10) Discovery ticket.

      Andover to Portsmouth is doable by Stagecoach using an £8.50 day ticket, but it’s one heck of a jaunt – the afternoon option involves going via Guildford!

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      1. I deliberately chose Andover and Gosport as I could not find a multi-operator day ticket which covers that journey. First do not participate in the Discovery ticket (neither do Bluestar, if you went via Southampton).

        First, Stagecoach and Bluestar all accept Solent Go one day travel cards but they aren’t valid north of Winchester so don’t cover that journey from Andover. Besides which you have to order the card, wait for it to be delivered then buy your day ticket either online or at a travel shop.

        Not that a day ticket is a single fare (just as Roger wanted a return rather than a single).

        Portsmouth isn’t Gosport – and I chose Andover to Gosport merely as an example to illustrate how for a multi-operator journey, an origin-to-destination single ticket isn’t available (unlike on the railways). There are plenty of other examples I could have chosen (Bournemouth to Lyme Regis? Bourne to Wisbech?) Then again, how many bus operators offer a through single fare for a journey on their own services where a change of bus is required?

        Malc M

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  19. Just for clarification, it is proposed to run the BL1 between Lewisham and Waterloo (not Elephant & Castle).

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  20. When I read “47 buses an hour” between Elephant & Castle and Camberwell Green, I had to do a double take.

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    1. The corridor from Elephant & Castle to Camberwell Green serves a densely-populated part of the inner city. Walworth Road, which forms part of that corridor, is a busy high street. Unusually for inner London, part of that corridor is more than 1km from any form of rail station, making it highly dependent on buses. Beyond Camberwell Green, the bus routes fan out in several different directions.

      There is at least one other part of inner London which is more than a kilometre from any rail access. Coincidentally that is at the other end of (today’s) route 45, around the southern end of Brixton Hill. Even after the 45 and 118 are merged, the daytime frequency on the Brixton Hill corridor will be 52 buses per hour (if I have counted correctly!)

      Malc M

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  21. An abiding memory of Rotherham Interchange was late last year travelling by a single decker First bus from Doncaster to Sheffield that was being calmly and expertly driven by its young woman driver. After attending to alighting/boarding passengers, she leapt out of her cab and, standing outside next to the doors, proceeded take four huge puffs from her previously pocketed vape. Then it was back on board and off again. As passengers I suspect we sometimes don’t recognise the stresses of driving in a busy , urban environment, especially when it is being done so well.

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  22. Replying to Peter Brown there are a few YT vids of scenic bus routes being taken by US travellers and similar around the UK , these can only add to the ideas of some visitors may have, often 2nd time visitors who have done the “London” area tourist places and want to go a bit further esp if looking for their ancestral routes.

    For the 118 service the last journey (SW operated) came into Morden unblinded as it turned into drop off point. A number of youthful users wanted to travel back to SW but driver (for insurance) would not let them. This is a frustration of mine with TfL not allowing garage journeys to be in service if not on the contract timetable , it would help especially when a lot of other journeys are curtailed or cut due to traffic issues.

    JBC Prestatyn

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  23. I forgot the 45 sticker had been applied to 118 bus stop, at least at Morden Station , ( the where to catch your bus posters had not been updated ) as of end of service last night. The stickers appear to be a bit larger than the other E plate ones so just stuck over 118 ? The timetable case had removed the changes stop notification pictured, but no timetable for the 45 was posted , indeed the stop has a missing “case outer” thus the board for the timetables for some routes could not be filled.

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  24. On the topic of trains stopping beyond the shelter of canopies:

    Basingstoke’s platform 5 serves the GWR shuttles to and from Reading. There is only a short canopy there. Back in the day, the rather rudimentary buffer stops allowed trains to stop with just one door under shelter. That did allow some opportunity not to get wet on a rainy day. Anyway, the whole station layout was rebuilt and resignalled, with shiny new friction buffers at platform 5, set at just the point where no doors were under shelter!

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  25. I pondered your problem regarding single tickets only to Bottesford from Hassocks. Yes, the journey is priced by LNER. That’s because the London to Bottesford journey is much quicker via Kings Cross and Grantham than it normally is via St. Pancras. You were forced onto the latter route due to the engineering works.

    LNER’s “trial” of Single ticketing was extended to off-mainline destinations to capture those who were avoiding LNER’s disguised price-hike on the mainline by buying tickets for places a short distance further off, such as Bottesford!

    The reason you couldn’t get an e-ticket is simple: routes through London allow travel on the Tube, and LUL doesn’t have barcode readers on its ticket gates. (Although they are supposed to be coming sometime at selected interchange stations)

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  26. CrossCountry’s justification for charging £1.00 for Ticket on Departure is that, unlike most of the rest of the industry, they don’t operate any stations themselves.

    As such, they have to pay TOD fees out (with Ticket Office collection being charged at double the price of TVM collection I believe) but don’t receive any in return.

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    1. Other TOCs have considered it. The DfT mandate percentages of smart tickets, so it is all about getting people to use e-tickets instead of magstripe 🙂

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  27. HCC Route 242

    I am not convinced the hourly service to Potters Bar is that sensible. Once the service gets past Cuffley passenger numbers are negligible

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    1. I remember visiting Barnstaple during the 80s shortly after the local bus company (whose buses were green) had been taken over by an outfit called Red Bus. Green vehicles were therefore running around bearing a stuck-on logo reading “This is a Red Bus”.
    2. I recently wrote to TfL notifying them of missing timetables at a stop. They replied that they were currently unable to print replacements due to the cyber attack they suffered a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, the electronic next-bus departure screens at Walthamstow Central bus station have been blank for months; TfL’s explanation is that they are awaiting necessary parts. Hmmm…

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