Thursday 14th November 2024

It’s Bus and Coach Show time again. Since Tuesday the NEC is playing host to the biennial exhibition that showcases shiny new buses, coaches, minibuses and mini coaches and a whole host of suppliers to the industry. There’s around 200 exhibitors to see so it would be impossible to cover all that’s on offer in this short synopsis so here’s a taste of things that attracted my attention.

You can’t miss the Irizar ie Tram on display immediately as you enter Hall 18. It’s rather ironic that two years ago the Irizar stand showed off the same model of vehicle destined for Go-Ahead London’s route 358 but as reported in recent blogs haven’t turned a wheel in service since then, and here we are again with the same ie Tram but this time destined for Fastrack as featured in Tuesday’s blog.

I remain sceptical about the practicalities of this bus, including the rather narrow entrance…

… and gangway at the front of the bus…

… but the area to accommodate two wheelchairs by the centre door offers more space albeit passengers using wheelchairs as well as those with large buggies and shopping trolleys won’t pass the ticket machine on boarding.

Those using wheelchairs will obviously stay put and their concessionary passes remain unregistered but large buggy users will have to make their way to the front through the narrow gangway, potentially in conflict with passengers who’ve boarded through the front door – something that already happens in London, but here they’ll then need to pay a fare rather than just tap an Oyster.

Bearing in mind the space constraints and 32 seat capacity I’m surprised two tables have even added in the rear section, especially as there’s barely enough room for four pairs of knees and legs in the space underneath …

…. and the leg room in the seats behind those is rather tight…

… and of course there’s the practicality of the lower glass panels which I’m unconvinced by.

Let’s hope it’s not too long before these buses are introduced into service and we can all see how they get on in busy urban operating conditions rather than my pessimistic speculation which I hope will be misplaced.
Over on the Pelican stand the company has two of Yutong’s electric buses on display. An E12 single deck destined for Stagecoach…

… and a U11DD double deck for First Bus in the company’s new corporate livery…

… except it’s displaying the old style logo as the new one, already launched internally, is still top secret for the public until officially launched later this month. I’d have thought the Show would have been an ideal place and time to launch it, but that’s PR people for you. Just as a reminder, here it is…

BYD are displaying both a single deck and double deck – the latter (“All New BD11”) destined for Go-Ahead London with a rather unusual front design …

… and I see Go-Ahead London is now a thing with a logo rather than using its constituent parts (London General, London Central, Blue Triangle etc).

I was interested to see the first double seats on the nearside aren’t marked as priority seats…

… and the rear twelve seats look rather crammed, presumably to give more space for the wheelchair area.

The single deck (B12) with a more futuristic shape is destined for UNO.

ADL are displaying a new Enviro 100EV destined for London with its single door…

… and therefore, unusually for a London bus, has the space for wheelchair users at the front nearside…

… but undoubtedly the star of the Show is the ADL Enviro400EV for Transdev Blazefield’s route 36.

The route has seen incremental improvements to vehicle quality over the years introduced by the company working collaboratively with Best Impressions and ADL.

This latest iteration takes interior design standards to another new level…

… with a great colour scheme for the furnishings and flooring and the usual attention to detail…

… we’ve now come to expect from Ray Stenning and his design team.

There’s no doubt these buses ooze quality with their parquet style flooring …

… and you really feel you’re travelling first class.

Even the much sought after front offside seats on the upper deck have great leg room and are as comfortable as all the other seats rather than sitting on top of a box.

I thought for a moment (see photo below) this was a large sized toaster for extra thick bread (placed under the book shelf) but it’s for litter (with one section for recyclable waste). There’s another one at the top of the stairs and have yet to have stickers attached.

Ray has his usual stand displaying the Best Impressions portfolio…

… as has Andi North and colleague Luke promoting his design agency, The Fruit Bowl, which also includes Scenic Buses which Andi was telling me he hopes to expand to also include rail.

Other vehicles which caught my eye are minibuses on both the Mellor…

… and Ilesbus stands.

It’s great to see interior specifications for this size of vehicle have come on leaps and bounds in recent years…

… such the vehicles are a million miles away from a standard bus or a welfare vehicle of old.

The Show also features many coaches from a whole host of manufacturers but I’ll leave the vehicle stands here other than to show it wasn’t all modern ‘state-of-the-art’ vehicles. A nod to nostalgia sees Stratford Blue Leyland Tiger PS2/3 from the Transport Museum Wythall on display…

… with its fascinating history explained.

Elsewhere this 1950 Duple bodied Bedford OB new to Safeway Services in Somerset is attracting attention on the RHA stand.

Of course, these days the bus industry has a whole host of suppliers delivering tech based solutions, many of which are 21st Century additions to the Bus Show scene. Here’s just a selection from those displaying their wares….

…. and not forgetting old favourites including destination sign manufacturers and refurbishment experts

It’s not easy for these companies to display their products in an eye catching way, especially if its software they’re flogging, but full marks to Ticketer which, as usual, has an eye catching stand to attract attention.

It’s not just exhibits either, there’s a Masterclass theatre area where you can listen to experts speak on a whole variety of subjects.

Euro Bus Expo is at the NEC until today (Thursday 14th) so if you’re reading this early in the morning, there might still be time to pay a visit.
Roger French
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That bus for Harrogate looks absolutely awesome!
Did you visit any AI vendor stands? LOL.
Excellent article, as usual.
Stephen
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I have never seen a table fitted inside a bus seating bay before. Coaches have been fitted with tables for ages especially bespoke ones for specialist private hires to certain clients. AUA419J was fitted with tables as its owner, Wallace Arnold, had a well-known client nearby – Leeds United FC. It is thought that the tables on this coach were for card games rather than the consumption of food and drink! I have a picture of AUA419J with players: Reany, Bremner, Lorimer, Yorath and Jones standing next to it. Lorimer scored the first goal in the first professional match I attended at the Crystal Palace ground. AUA419J would have been at a home from home outside Selhurst Park – the London area WA fleet was based there.
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Aren’t tables fitted on the upper deck of First’s Excel buses (Peterborough – Norwich) – or did I imagine them?
Ian McNeil
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Reading Transport have fitted them upstairs for quite a while now (the 4/X4 and 702/703 definitely have them).
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@ anon 08:44
Morebus received a batch of Enviro 400 MMCs for route X3 (Salisbury <> Bournemouth) in 2016 (recently displaced onto other duties). I am fairly certain they were fitted with tables towards the rear of the upper deck.
Malc M
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Tables are on Brighton and Hove Buses 301-354,701-744 and 921-947
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Great summary Roger. I spent half a day there and that was enough for the average bus enthusiast, I would think. Recommend visit to Scenic Bus Routes stand next to Flixbus. Attended an excellent (and a little bit scary) presentation on AI with references to Black Mirror and Terminator. Very enlightening.
If you’re going today, no need to buy coffee, plenty available on stands. Even free beer at one place! Lots of chocs too. It’s a good 10 minute walk from rail station. Random bag check. The Wetherspoons there is twice the price of a normal one. £4.80 Nat Exp day ticket, lots of X’s from Brum city centre. Noticed a lot of car drivers not giving way to buses, this felt different to other cities. Truly fantastic German Xmas market by Town Hall (from Frankfurt). Leeds to Brum via Manchester £20 return using Nat Exp & Flixbus, cheaper than car.
Paul Kirby, Wetherby
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Paul, I always wondered if these events were trade only, so thanks for your post.
Peter Brown
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Big thumbs up to you from a Harrogate based Brummie!
When I was a lad (late 1960s to mid 1970s) car drivers always gave way to BCT (later WMPTE) buses turning right at any junction – on the grounds that it was common practice to get halfway across as soon as there was a gap from the right and then wait for the traffic on the left to let them in 😂
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Sadly the Harrogate E400EV was plagued with the usual ADL build quality issues with numerous bits of loose trim clearly visible, which seemed incredible for a bus on a trade show stand.
For that reason I would’ve thought the Yutong was the actual star of the show.
As for the First logo, an industry trade conference doesn’t seem the best place to launch a customer facing new logo, especially when the stand is actually the manufacturer’s.
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100%. I am amazed how creaky and rattly the brand new ADLs B&H buses have got recently already are, even compared to their 15 year old Geminis. The doors sound like stable doors too.
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I heard it went well beyond loose trim and into loose external panels. Something to do with the glue.
Bet they regret not hanging on for the double deck eCitaros. The single deck ones are magnificent to drive.
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Passengers using wheelchairs on almost all (all?) London buses at the moment don’t pass the ticket machine at the moment since the ramp is at the middle door. Many times I see parents with prams using the middle door as well and then walking up to the driver to tap in (or whoever they are travelling with will tap in for them). So its hard to see this being a mark against the ie Tram.
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Surely a solution in the provinces would be a tap on/off reader at the middle door.
Peter Brown
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Ah so that’s where the new bus(es) for the #36 are then!
Still no sign of them in service yet up here in Harrogate 🙁
I went to their Family Funday launch back on 18 June 2024 and there was talk of them being on the road in September…
Meanwhile the actual buses in daily service (both on the #36 and other local routes) are becoming older, shabbier & more rattly by the day!
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Indeed. You can imagine how we feel in Wetherby. They took over the X98/99 to Leeds from First Leeds and we had the ultra-luxurious Sky Class double-deckers. Everybody praised them to the hilt – 20% increase in passengers, they said. 2 years later and Sky Class gone to Burnley! (because of vandalism they claimed) and we now have the oldest of single-deckers and the odd old double-decker, and an unreliable service. Wonder how many passengers they have lost. First Leeds weren’t perfect but a lot better than this service currently.
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I wonder also where Transdev are getting the investment for these new vehicles as they have been heavily loss making recently.
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The new logo just made me wonder it is a kid’s drawing
KS
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The Harrogate double deck bus seems to be just what Fastrack needs in Kent judging by last night’s loading and the customer expectations publicised in the original timetables.
I’ve been in a bus when the person opposite me was uninjured despite being showered in broken glass when a brick landed in their lap.
I’ve been on a bus that was hit at speed side on, hardly a dent, mind you it was Leyland National no injuries sustained, hope that’s toughened glass on the bus that pretends to be a tram but is more like a greenhouse on wheels.
Surely bus users in the chalkpits of Kent actually just want a seat aboard a safe, reliable BUS service in a vehicle that delivers those needs, together with a ticket thats does the same!
John Nicholas
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Haha… I wasn’t surprised at all when you mentioned you was on a Leyland National during a side on bus v car accident. They were built like tanks 🙂
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Minor correction, it’s Paul Reaney not Reany. He’s just turned 80.
Re. the Stratford bus, blue is definitely the best colour, as evidenced in Manchester of old when the Ashton vehicles stood out from the pedestrian red of MCTD, Stockport and North Western. Salford green was OK, better than the Bury and SHMD versions.
Garry Brown
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That “futuristic” shape will be difficult to keep clean.
The next requirement will be for a new design of bus wash machines (from China, of course), funded by the government under its BCIP (bus cleanliness improvement programme, or bus (Chinese) import plan).
The alternative (long-handled brooms) contravenes health and safety legislation because of the risk of contact with the overhead charging poles at Harrogate.
John M.
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i think you mean biEnnial (every two years) not biAnnual (twice a year)!
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I do indeed. Corrected. Thanks.
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Good grief, that First logo and typeface are ugly!
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I didn’t think Ray was involved in the new 36, and that it had all been done in house. Obviously, you know Ray though.
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the photo of the ‘toaster’ under the sign of bookclub just made me think that it is a book stand for placing book to share.
KS
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Good to see Transdev still stick with offering 2plus1 seating on upper deck for the premier 36 service. Given the financial pressure, I believe it is quite a temptation to downgrade to 2plus2 seating and adjusting slightly the frequency from 6bph to 4/5 bph to boost profitability. I appreciate the management in unkeeping the vehicle quality. Good job Transdev
KS
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£1B of what appears to be new fundin g for buses in England outside of London. Some limited data on the allocation of it. Councils will no longer have to compete for it it will be allocated o some kind of needs basis
The £3 fares cap will have an inflation link for lower fares so bus companies will not be able to automatically increase fares to £3
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I confidently predict the Irizar buses will be a disaster.
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Why is the ADL bus for the 36 the “star of the show”? What’s impressive about it? There are far more exciting and futuristic buses, as your photos show, than that one. You say: “The route has seen incremental improvements to vehicle quality over the years introduced by the company working collaboratively with Best Impressions and ADL.” That cannot be correct, as this is the first time that an ADL bus has been specified for the 36. Previously , it was always been Wright bodied Volvos. Transdev used an ADL on the defunct CityZap and the X98/99 (“Sky Class”) before sending them over the Pennines to join other Transdev ADLs. The interior is very similar to those. The wood look armrests with the cupholders are identical to those buses. Have they actually worked with Best Impressions for this bus? I have seen others suggest that the design is an in-house one to save costs, which is why the external livery looks very similar to the current buses and the interior looks very similar to the Sky Class buses.
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Transdev need to spend less time on what the buses that order look like and more time actually running the buses. Everytime I go to Leeds Bus Station and see the word “CANCELLED” on the board, I know it will be a 36. And once again, today, it was. The 11:05 to Ripon was cancelled. The 11:15 arrived but the driver put it on stand 24 instead of 23, got off, said not a word to the queue of passengers who had been waiting for the 11:05 and were hoping that the 11:15 to Harrogate might run. That driver was never seen again. The 11:25 then arrived. Would that run? Yes it would, and it left at 11:20. The driver drove so slowly, and because it stopped at almost every stop, because of the 2 previously cancelled buses, that by Oatlands Corner in Harrogate, it was overtaken by the 11:34 service. It eventually arrived at Harrogate Bus Station at 12:23. A journey of 16 miles, taking 63 minutes. For those passengers who were expecting to catch the 11:04 and arrive at Harrogate at 12:02, they were now 20 minutes late. The train is £4.20 and takes 34 minutes. The 36 bus will always be a slow, unreliable and miserable experience.
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