Seen Around

Saturday 28th September 2024

Another month is reaching its last knockings so it’s time for another round up of miscellany that’s caught my eye over the last few weeks. And first this month is First and it’s brand new brand….

First launches new brand and vision

It’s been four years since Janette Bell arrived as Managing Director at First Bus so high time for a company rebrand and, of course, a new vision to go with it. Where would we be without a company vision? Thanks to an online video (click link) to explain to employees what it’s all about we can all join in the excitement. Norwich based bus driver and employee director at First East of England, Rachel Hurst, was picked to give Janette an in depth interview in the eight minute 20 second corporate love-in, Rachel manages four penetrating questions for Janette: “can you tell me a little about the changes?”, “the vision – how does it affect myself and my other colleagues?”. “how much is the rebrand costing the company?” and “uniforms – will we get a say in what we’re getting?”.

You can enjoy Janette’s explanations of how First Bus will be pursuing its newly established vision of providing reliable, safe, clean, friendly and ‘better everyday’ buses for us passengers as part of this rebrand. Revolutionary eh?

Can’t wait.

Euro Bus Expo is almost “hear”

I know I make some crass typos far too often on this blog so “pot and kettle” come to mind when I point out the howler on the above social media post for the upcoming EuroBus 2024 at the NEC in November. Here indeed.

Golders Green’s lack of information

When I took a ride on route 210 earlier this month I was taken aback at the complete absence of any helpful information to let passengers know where to catch a bus from the many bus stops immediately outside the Underground station in the bus parking area as well as surrounding streets.

Most bus stops, including the Underground station itself had zilch information. Still, at least the blank noticeboards are nicely illuminated at night.

One bus stop has received an updated ‘where to catch your bus’ poster but you have to hunt around to find it.

On the other hand it was great to see a full block of toilets available in the bus station….

… including opening times into the evening.

Except the doors are locked shut for the public and access is only for staff who know the combination code to unlock the door.

And in other toilet news I was very pleased to travel on a Thameslink Class 700 the other day to find, for the first time since the trains were introduced in 2015, a cubicle completely free from the awful graffiti which blights every other toilet on these trains. I’m surprised that nine years on, the offenders haven’t been caught what with the constant imploring that “if you see something suspicious or doesn’t look right, speak to staff or text the ….” you know the rest.

Early night for Shrewsbury

Passing through Shrewsbury bus station one early evening a few weeks ago it was noticeable how it was completely devoid of passengers and buses. The town seemed to be having an early night. Which went first – passengers deserting the buses or buses deserting the few passengers travelling? That’s why if you want good evening bus services, you need a vibrant evening and night time economy.

Safeway lives on in Bangor

It’s almost 20 years since Safeway sold most of its supermarkets to Morrisons but the bus stop outside the store in Bangor, just up from the railway station, hasn’t quite caught up with the name change. Nor with bus route developments over the past couple of decades. As the list in the timetable case below the flag on the pole confirms, only three of the 13 route numbers on display (42, 62 and 63) now exist with seven new numbers missing (4A, 5C, G8, S2, S3, T2, X43). Come on Gwynedd Council; keep up. It’s only 20 years.

Meanwhile the bus stop on the other side of the road, just up from the railway station, was renovated a couple of years ago and now sports a new bus stop flag without any route numbers. Which is probably just as well if there are no resources to keep them up to date.

Timetables on display

Over in Bangor railway station it was good to see a leaflet rack (with its own protective barrier) displaying a whole range of promotional leaflets and timetables for the heritage and narrow gauge railways in Wales….

… except every one was for last year…

… and therefore useless. Perhaps that’s why the display was ‘roped off’.

Helpful advice from Arriva

Arriva buses are renowned for their love of displaying notices inside on cove panels and behind the driver. Something I spotted recently was a range of warnings and the like to a new size meaning you can have different combinations of notices to keep people like me amused but I suspect 99.9% of passengers are completely oblivious to them.

Meanwhile in Derby, Arriva are using the rears of its buses as part of a big promotional campaign by Hilton Garage to encourage everyone to buy a car.

Presumably that’s because of all the “incidents” and suspicious bags passengers encountered when travelling inside the buses.

Thanks to a correspondent for the photos

Two different X38 logos

The hotly contested route X38 between Derby and Burton upon Trent has a small number of bus stops either side of the non-stop section on the A38 and I spotted this bus stop plate sporting the two different logos being used by Arriva and trentbarton. If you’re into bus route logo spotting – that one gets bonus points.

No more information at Derby

I’ve commented before about the crazy waste of money local authorities expended on these totem type information pods that were all the rage in the last decade but never worked properly. I see the one in the bus shelter outside Derby railway station has now been turned off and is gradually losing its letters too. It’s not a good look.

Standard Premium or First Class

Following the snippet about LNER taking away all the antimacassars on its first class coaches on Azuma trains in last month’s round up, on a recent journey with Avanti West Coast I noticed the same problem with the covers denoting whether the coach has been redesignated from First to Standard Premium also have a tendency to fall off. And even more confusing, I didn’t know that on a Friday there’s no Standard Premium available on the 09:30, 10:30, 11:30, 12:30, 16:30 and 17:30 departures from Euston to Glasgow. All three coaches (H, J and K) are exclusively for first class on those journeys. On other departures on Fridays and all day on other weekdays coach H is Standard Premium while on Saturdays and Sundays coaches H and J are Standard Premium and only K is First. You have to have your wits about you when travelling with Avanti – and antimacassars that don’t fall off.

Keep your distance in Lichfield

As you can see (above) residents of Lichfield are still being encouraged to keep two metres apart when they’re out and about, especially in the bus station as you can also see (below) school children are having to move on to the bus manoeuvring area to achieve that. (They were actually having a game of football while waiting for the bus!)

Meanwhile in Tamworth it was nostalgic to see an old Midland Red bus garage still in active use by Arriva…

… but like many of the company’s garages it seems to have an aversion to carrying spare stocks of the company logo/name to affix to buses…

… but more positively a shout out to those responsible for producing a clear colourful route map for the Arriva Derby network which was actually being handed out in hard copy format in the bus station when I passed through following changes introduced at the beginning of the month. More of this please.

TfL likes to baffle

And, can we have less of this nonsense produced by TfL to explain its changes earlier this month to routes 549, W12, W13 and W14 in the Wanstead and Woodford areas. It’s been so long since TfL produced a bus map its staff are obviously completely inexperienced at compiling cartography that is helpful. It’s never a good idea to mix up maps of routes that have been withdrawn with new routes that have been introduced. Much better to do a before and after map. Presumably the same cartographers who are steadily ruining the Underground map are responsible for the above mess.

Another tip is to always try and avoid lots of coloured lines appearing together where routes converge in city centres as the result can send you cross-eyed trying to follow a particular colour coded route. For example, Brighton & Hove has just produced a new look network map with this rather challenging-on-the eye city centre section.

Stagecoach leads the way in the Lake District

Stagecoach never fails to impress with excellent information provision for its hugely successful operations in the Lake District with its excellent timetable booklets always available at key locations including Penrith railway Station (Above and below)…

… and Booths supermarket in Windermere…

… as well as in Windermere railway station.

They’re everywhere, and no wonder the buses are so well used. Passengers have the confidence to use them with a timetable book that has an end date, details of tickets and maps. No fumbling about trying to gather together a collection of individual route leaflets or going online and using up a mobile device’s battery power and relying on intermittent phone signals.

One of my favourite Lake District routes aside from the award winning 555 (Lancaster-Kendal-Keswick) is the 508 from Windermere to Penrith which I was pleased to take another journey on while in the area last weekend…

… and once again enjoyed the spectacular scenery as you climb up towards Kirkstone Pass..,

… with its amazing vista which a smartphone camera can never do justice to.

Stuart’s new station guide

As another new station – Ashley Down – opens near Bristol today, well done to Stuart who circulated the above very helpful map on social media last week setting out the anticipated approximate dates for 20 more new stations in the course of being built and due to open over the next couple of years. You can also see a copy on his excellent website. As you can see, i’s going to be a busy few years for new stations.

The North(ern) South(ern) Divide

A quick update on my Delay Repay claim experiences and as mentioned last month, Northern Rail found the vouchers they needed to send and these duly arrived in the post a few days after that blog was published. This month my problem is with Southern. Normally, I find GTR very good at quickly dealing with claims but my return home from Bangor on 3rd September found the Brighton Main Line once again in disarray due to a track circuit or signal failure near Gatwick Airport (can’t remember which) resulting in a half hour’s delay. Southern seem unable to expedite the claim in their usual prompt fashion – just marking it “referred” on my online claim history. I emailed them on Wednesday and advised I’ll be including a black mark against them in today’s blog to try and hurry their response along. So far nothing. More news next time.

Happy 30th Anniversary Compass

And finally for this month, a big shout out and congratulations to Chris Chatfield, Michael Bishop and all the team at Compass Travel.

The Worthing based company, which operates all over Sussex as well as into Surrey and Kent, has just celebrated its 30th anniversary marking it with a special livery on one of its latest Enviro200 MMC buses.

I’m also delighted to see two of the four new buses which have just joined the fleet are used and branded on my local bus route through Sussex. And very nice they look too.

With very comfortable seats too. Here’s to the next 30 years Chris!

More miscellany next month.

Roger French

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50 thoughts on “Seen Around

  1. So First Bus are saying they going to be doing what they should be doing anywhere but currently are not

    I am not convinced First Bus in general are showing no sign of improving

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    1. At 20:17 & 20:27 Tonight Fifty Years Ago 21 people were murdered by the Irish Republican Army & 182 others injured in Brum City Centre at the Mulberry Bush & Tavern in The Town Pubs when Two Bombs Expolded after a warning was sent to Birmingham Post & Mail a short time earlier. 

      I was SIX at the time & that evening was with my parents in the City Centre in the BULL RING BUS STATION waiting for WMPTE 140

      A Third Bomb failed to explode on Hagley Road the route we were taking home.

      Today is a day of thought , remembrance & hope for Brum.

      The Victims of The Brum Pub Bombings must NEVER be forgotten.

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  2. First Bus video, you have to wonder about either the mentality of a PR department who shoots such an awful production, or a Chief Executive who believes that this is going to convey the right message to their workforce. Note it says nothing about improving and innovating the bus services that they operate.

    Will they reflect and learn, I doubt it.

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    1. It is the sort of thing a bunch of Media Studies students would produce

      It does not inspire me to think that First bus will improve on their current low standards

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    2. I have to say that it’s a very long time since I did my accountancy training at Badgerline Holdings but even then they took a very bizarre hard corporate view. Everything had to be branded with a smiling badger & only a corporate font used & of course this was carried over to FirstBus then FirstGroup.

      We had boxes & boxes of Wyvern era Midland Red West stationery, vinyls, pens merchandising, uniforms & timetables but weren’t allowed to use any of it . Everything had to be on the then corporate badgers & flags era.

      It just goes to show that while everyone things the latest FirstGroup branding is rubbish in reality nothing has changed in 30 years really.

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  3. So you can have First Class or Standard Premium. What an earth is that? Is it Standard or is it Premium and if so what is Premium about it. In reality it is just marketing hype

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  4. The toilets at Golders Green have always been open when I’ve been there, so I hope this was only a one-off you experienced.

    As for the new First Bus logo and that video….

    Steve

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  5. I laughed when you wrote that so many people in the Lake District have confidence to use Stagecoach, not the case when they don’t turn up though, you missed that vital bit and with a bit of digging you’d have found plenty who have discovered how poor Stagecoach have been over the past year or so!

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  6. The Aim of BSIP was to improve bus services and increase usage, In general it seems to have failed with both

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    1. Replying to myself, I now see that had already been pointed out but for some reason previous comments weren’t appearing when I read the piece.

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  7. It’s not just Golders Green where there is a lack of bus information in London but across the capital. There are still notices displayed on bus shelters saying ‘why not walk if you can’ as well as posters dating from the COVID period encouraging you not to travel in the peaks. All giving the wrong message and not helping the fact that bus travel is now at its lowest in the morning peak period. It’s as if TfL deliberately want to discourage you from using their bus services. Does anybody at TfL even care ? Perhaps they are too busy riding their bikes to notice ?

    Martin W

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  8. Regarding ‘TfL likes to baffle’ it’s not surprising the map is confusing as so were the changes. The W13 extension – simples, but as for the changes to the other routes…..For some journeys from South Woodford to say Whipps Cross you now need to get a different numbered bus from the opposite side of the road, W14, whereas the previous numbered bus goes to a completley differnt place, W12. The W12 now being an amalgam of the western half of the previous W12 and eastern half of the old W14. Some links such as the one described, running hourly, are now also next to impossible to market in the London environment where x20 mins is a low frequency…..but since when have TfL thought of marketing their routes?

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  9. For out of date information look at the sign on the electric substation which was once next to the bus garage at Uckfield, now a shop. The modern sign says the substation is at the Southdown Depot.

    Jim Mason, (retired driver)

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  10. Very novel new policy of First to avoid collisions wherever possible. I wonder if other bus groups have thought of that? (I seem vaguely to remember the instructor adopting that philosophy when I did my PSV training 43 years ago, but I could be wrong…)

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  11. The First bus video is fairly typical corporate stuff citing the current crop of popular corporate topics with a bit of a bus relevant twist. It comes across as very scripted and wooden – as has been said – a bit like it was produced by students. Perhaps that was to keep the budget low?

    There are 2 things that I would praise.

    1. Reverting to the name First Bus.
    2. Sensibly rolling out the new brand – too many companies spend a fortune on a new brand image without changing the service offering (although it does mean it probably won’t be completed before the next brand refresh).

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  12. When I worked for a bit of Stagecoach Rail they plastered the staff accommodation with company “values”, which were supposedly “respect, professionalism, teamwork, honesty, respect and communication”.

    It was generally believed that those were the things that the company had absolutely no intention of doing, especially as they regularly came out with puffed up rubbish such as “Leaders live and breath the Company Values every day” at the same time as the company was treating staff with contempt, working at cross-purposes, lying through their teeth to customers and flat refusing to tell anyone what they were doing.

    I’ve noticed over the years that the best companies to work for didn’t have posters espousing “company values” while treating staff as numbered resources; they treated their staff as fellow humans and the values came naturally.

    As a result I tend to believe that companies should spend less time creating soundbites and more time treating each other with respect and providing a service to attract customers – and thereby making money so the company is profitable.

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  13. Whom has let someone play with the crayons for the new First Bus logo – yuck – how that ever got passed by Group is very strange indeed as just doesn’t shout professionalism – Ray could have given them a great new brand if only they asked him..

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  14. Metroline didn’t “give up” Route 305 …. the route was re-tendered, and Centrebus won the contract.

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  15. Has the First Bus rebrand been announced publicly? This is the first time I’ve heard about it. Perhaps I need to get out more, by bus of course!

    Mike S

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  16. Regarding the new First Bus logo:

    1. It looks awful!
    2. How much did this cost? It looks like it was created by an unscrupulous design/marketing agency that has charged First thousands of pounds for hours of work, when it was probably cooked up in about 15 minutes in Microsoft Paint.
    3. Or someone at First thought they could save some money by using an AI-powered logo creator, with the prompt including “design a garish and insipid corporate logo”
    4. How much is it going to cost to redesign their websites, as well as print off new vinyls to be applied to all their vehicles?

    I really don’t think they’ve thought this through properly, and a more worthy priority would surely be to get all their recently-transferred vehicles into the correct livery

    Stu – West Midlands Bus Users

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  17. I think Stagecoach is having a rebrand too. I think if there is a rebrand buses should be quickly repainted as otherwise you get a miss mash. In my area Stagecoach Gold is still a thing, despite supposedly being replaced by their previous rebrand.

    Peter Brown

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    1. We still have Stagecoach Gold on the Aldershot to Camberley route 1, with buses proclaiming a 10 min frequency. It hasn’t run every 10 mins for 4.5 years now.

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  18. First Bus shouldn’t take it personally because nobody much understands “Vision”, “Strategy”, “Aims & Objectives” etc. but what they do now have is set of “Core Values” i.e. ‘This is how we will work everyday. NB. We don’t have a vision of where the company wants to be in (say) 5-year’s time, even less a strategy for how to get there’. Thank you Roger: great blog as always. John Pinfold, Cheltenham, UK.

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  19. Stagecoach Lakes timetable book does have its limitations. A couple of years ago, I was in Cockermouth, just outside the National Park boundary. From what I can recall, the Stagecoach routes serving the town were split across three different timetable booklets/leaflets, with each route appearing in only one of them.

    Malc M

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  20. A truly inspiring video by First Bus. Does anyone have a clue as to why they fled the London bus market? The only evidence that they did run London services are staircase panels on the WVN buses owned now by Go Ahead. As a little boy I loved the bus and still do now I have free travel but for snob reasons my parents forbade me seeking work with London Transport as a bus conductor. An otherwise dull county secondary’s Careers Tutor [and Deputy Head] arranged an interview for me at Thos Cook & Son Ltd and I literally walked into a job issuing air tickets at their prestigious Head Office near Green Park Underground Station. The only time I got to handle Gibson ticket machines were at 1979 bus garage open days and I still have some of those test ticket prints on file.

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    1. They fled London because they were on the brink of their shares being downgraded to junk status (because of debt) so they needed to raise funds to reduce that AND to fund investment in vehicles with DDA legislation looming. Part of that was via a rights issue and part was via selling off operations – as well as some that were problem children (Chester, part of Worcs), they decided to sell London (lower margins, high investment) to two willing buyers and pocket some funds.

      BW2

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  21. The steady reduction in TfL roadside publicity is indeed alarming yet even worse blighted me today in East Molesey. The timetable on Route 411 has changed. I had no alternative but to walk from the Manor Road stop to Hampton Court Bridge as there was no current roadside publicity and passers by found defective information on their mobile devices. I got on my way by the skin of my teeth as the Falcon 461 served the stop south of Hampton Court Bridge on time. As I have no smart device I visited Hounslow Library to go online before getting home. Not a single website has the new timetable and I seriously believe that the recent hack of the TfL website has knocked out monitoring by Bustimes.org! So, all are in the dark. Shall rattle the cage of my local Surrey County councillor.

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  22. First’s new logo reminds me of a broken clock. My suggestion: lower case f and b adjoining, which would at least look like a £ sign, really their “core value”, and also like a dinosaur begging, not too far from how we think of them. Come back Moir Lockhead?

    Garry Brown

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  23. Just a couple of comments:

    1. What will the new Northumberland Park station be called?

      2. Yes the Golders Green toilets were useful, and yes they are closed to the public; but that was several years ago now. Maybe Steve has more up-to-date information?

      Ian McNeil

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    1. Oneliners responding to various points…

      First’s “Vision”. Why does everyone in the transport industry feel the need to come up with their own categorisations of “service improvement”. Just score yourself on Jarret Walker’s “7 requirements of public transit” and be done with it (break it down into more detail if you must). (The “7 requirements” are, clear and comprehensive, easily found on Wikipedia, and aren’t, to my knowledge, specifically copyrighted or trademarked, although orginates from his book, Human Transit, is copyrighted.)

      Toilet locks (in bus stations). Ah, yes, digilocks. Not actually that hard to open if you don’t know the number, takes about 5 minutes tops, no tools needed, see “locksport” videos on YouTube especially “LockPickingLawyer”. Sometimes openable by pushing the latch with a metal strip from a drinks can or going over the top or bottom of the door hooking the interior handle with a plastic tie from a bundle of newspapers or similar (see physical pentester “DeviantOllam” on YouTube)

      Discontinuance of electronic signage: Your post from July about your trip from Norfolk highlights the BSIP money recently spent installing similar (to try and entire ridership through wayfinding)–and I agree with you the money is better spent on other options in the longer term. Not a new problem either, all the signs in Stoke’s “posh” bus interchange from a few years ago long since dead, and similar reports from Germany, too (e.g. Aschaffenburg). Indeed, why not just buy the smaller “enthusiast grade” signs, and insert a Mifi router, and spec up a custom steel box from China, likely cheaper CapEx and less “regret cost” CapEx (possibly higher OpEx) when they eventually fail. Or just do better paper signage and spend the rest on actually optimising the “7 requirements” (see above)

      MilesT

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      1. Miles, thanks for the Jarrett Walker reference, I often read his Human Transit blog which often has interesting points to make which are universally relevant (even to the UK!).

        This article of his expands on the seven requirements and also covers “useless transit”, the latter term could apply to many UK bus routes that totally miss the seven requirements but have a shiny new logo randomly applied in a fleet with the previous two logos still in evidence.

        https://humantransit.org/2011/12/outtake-on-endearing-but-useless-transit.html

        Peter Brown

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    2. Arriva’s notices on cove panels: Those pictured appear to have a message in braille, which is of no use to anyone up there. Or is it just blisters of air?

      Where to catch the bus in Derby: That map is an improvement on the map I found a few months ago when looking online to plan a journey from Derby station to a place in the south-west of the City. Arriva’s map at that time just had the square (or circle) for the City Centre, without the enlargement to show specific stops. The current map online (and, I think, in your picture) marks the stops in the City Centre, but doesn’t show which routes stop where. The prospective passenger needs to know. And as for that big orange blob below the bus station … hasn’t Arriva heard that Intu ceased trading four years ago and its shopping centre in Derby was renamed Derbion in January 2021?

      Compass Travel … Well, that’s one way to deal with a roundabout that’s too small for anything other than a car or bike to pass around.
      🙂

      John M.

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    3. Perhaps bus companies should focus on the basics like running the advertised service and running them to time and spend less time and money playing around with logo’s and liveries and route branding. Most people just want a clean and reliable service that turns up. They do not care what colour it is painted. They will also get on the first bus that turns up to take hem to where they want to go

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      1. Getting the basics right isn’t the end position. It is the absolute minimum that you should do. Right product (i.e. it goes where you want, when you want), right cost, right time (i.e. reliable) are some of the pre-requisites for successful bus operation.

        However, to suggest that marketing has no place and that the provision of a product is enough is simply not true. Especially as we’ve seen with previous coverage by Roger of Southern Vectis and the Peak Sightseer in Derbyshire, good marketing helps improve patronage but ONLY if the product itself is right.

        Spending money on marketing an inherently poor product (because it’s a duff idea, or because it’s poorly executed) will never pay, but marketing a good product can do.

        An anonymous senior commercial manager

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        1. The sometimes used phrase about marketing is putting zebra stripes on a donkey…which obviously won’t make the donkey run as fast as a zebra. (There are other less polite phrases with same theme)

          (I am aware that ZEBRA is the name of a valuable green initiative for bus transport and no slight is intended on that)

          MilesT

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    4. Re-Shrewsbury, I visited the town about 2 years ago and am surprised that a relatively busy town had absolutely zero bus service on Sunday, like none of the bus stops in the town centre I observed had any Sunday service. Not sure if this has now changed.

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    5. Hi Roger – I’m fairly certain that those Arriva notices aren’t new. They’ve the old logo on for a start.

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    6. An ex Southampton bus in the new ‘livery’ passed our house on the 54 from Taunton, another from the same batch had passed not long before probably at least a year past its repaint date, i.e. scruffy.
      In the Yeovil area we see a lot of assorted First liveries, especially the 376 from Bristol, which sometimes doesn’t get past Wells.

      Yeovil Bus station toilets have closed due the town council not taking them over from Somerset Council who’ve closed all theirs. Weatherspoons is the only close alternative.

      No mention of how they inform passengers.

      First of course run SWR and yet again today passengers were left on the platform to await the next down train, due to their train being terminated and put in the sidings.

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    7. You’re spot on re your comments about graffiti in Class 700 Thameslink toilets! One reason for this is easy to identify. It is astonishing that one of London’s major mainline services with long routes such as Thameslink don’t employ train managers! I bet fare dodging is rife too. I hardly ever encounter graffiti in those operator’s toilets where they employ train managers. I think I’ve had my ticket checked only once or twice in the years I have been using Thameslink regularly, and I have seen claims that revenue protection on their routes in practically non-existent.

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