Seen Around

Saturday 31st August 2024

(Non subscribing readers using smartphones to land on this webpage may have missed yesterday’s unscheduled extra blog. If so, here’s a link.)

And here’s another month’s round up of items spotted on my travels but not blogged about.

New Travel Information Centre opens

And first up this month it’s good news from Aylesbury with the “Red Group” of bus companies (Red Rose, Red Eagle and Redline) working together to open a new Travel Information Centre alongside the town’s dismal and dingy bus station.

But at least the Information office is nice and light if devoid of any literature for passengers to pick up. Well done to the Red Group for this very welcome initiative but now, how about printing some timetable leaflets and even a map of your combined network so it actually gets promoted. And, it will give Neil something to hand out.

One opens and another closes

Meanwhile over in Bluewater I was disappointed to see the Shopping Centre has closed its “Transit Centre” where in the good old days of bus companies wanting to encourage passengers there was always a display of timetable leaflets as well as real time departure signs inside the waiting area.

And, importantly, staff were on hand to help and advise which bay bus routes depart from. Since the “Transit Centre” come waiting room has closed there’s no display telling you this so you just have to walk all around the 12 departure bays (on both sides of the bus station) to find the one you want.

And there were also toilets available in the “Transit Centre” with the nearest now being on the first floor of M&S, which is at least a six or seven minute walk away.

GAIL’s ousts EMR’s ticket office

Confused train passengers wondering which of the two adjacent “National Rail ticket offices” at St Pancras need be dumbfounded no longer. Network Rail has closed the one on the right run by EMR so there’s room for an all important GAIL’s bakery – the new trend sweeping the well heeled middle classes in the Home Counties.

Obviously it means the GTR Thameslink run “National Rail Ticket Office” is much busier now, with still only a maximum of two of the four windows ever open, as most passengers won’t think to wander up to the first floor where they’ll find the replacement “National Rail Ticket Office” next to EMR’s platforms 1-4.

Except it’s now an EMT (rather than ‘National Rail’) Ticket Office and quite well hidden beyond Gregg’s…

… and with only one desk open for business; albeit it’s nice to see there are no glass screens to separate staff from passengers.

Greater Anglia seat puzzle

Travelling from Great Yarmouth to Norwich last week I was puzzled why the seats at the end of the coach next to the driver’s cab had each got an “i” symbol above them. Despite spending the whole journey wondering what it could mean I couldn’t come up with anything.

Ticket Inspectors make a come back

In all the hundreds and hundreds of bus journeys I’ve made since retiring over 11 years ago I’ve never had my bus ticket checked by a bus inspector. I suspect it’s because most bus companies got rid of them as a cost cutting measure years ago. But now I see First Bus in Norfolk and Suffolk (but not Essex?) are bringing back “officers” to reinstate ticket checks. What a novelty.

New look assistance buggy at MYB

As I passed through Marylebone the other day my eye was caught by this swish new Assistance Buggy doing its business – it certainly looked lest utilitarian than the usual golf cart type vehicles you see at other mainline stations.

Platform 7 at Inverness

Do trains ever use platform 7 at Inverness railway station? It’s located a long way from the station building and you have to walk through the car park to get to it. It’s also well outside the ticket barriers. Perhaps it’s for charter trains?

Scottish station toilet news

This month’s station toilet news comes from Scotland’s main termini including Aberdeen where the refurbished station has seen a rather dismal set up by the turnstile to gain entry with a change machine on the right hand side out of use…

… and a rather tatty notice instructing visitors to “PLEASE PAY HERE THANK YOU” but bizarrely no information about how much it is. I saw many people faced with this walk away, which is a shame, as the turnstile just turns round freely and despite the notice, the toilets were free to use.

As they also are at Oban station, if you know where to find them, hidden away at the back of the ticket office area …

… and I’m not sure they can restrict them to use by “ScotRail customers only” as, if challenged, anyone would say they’re waiting for a train. Still, at least they’re free to use, which is unusual for Scotland…

… as in Fort Williams they’re 50p to use…

… as they are in Inverness. Which I think is outrageous.

An app for a free bus

As I mentioned in last weekend’s blog, trials of an autonomous pod and bus are due to start next month to ferry passengers between Inverness Airport and the new Inverness Airport railway station. But in the meantime I spotted this notice in Inverness station advising passengers to download the Go-Hi app “and present your train ticket” to “enjoy a FREE bus connection”. Firstly you’ll be lucky if the half hourly bus times coincide with your arrival by train or plane and secondly why not just present your train ticket to the bus driver? Why bother with the faff of an app?

It’s not clear how passengers present a train ticket when travelling from the airport terminal to the railway station though. Just let them travel free for that short journey – if they’ve been bothered enough to wait for the bus.

Never mind travel by train – buy a car instead

Good to see Network Rail doing its bit again to encourage rail travel (sarcasm overdrive alert) over at St Pancras station earlier this month by allocating space to Renault to persuade all those hundreds of rail passengers passing by to switch mode and buy a car instead.

And on the same theme up in Aberdeen’s Union Square between the railway station and the bus station the area outside the shops had become a car showroom to promote motoring.

And I also noticed the retail units created when the station was refurbished remain distinctly empty.

Perhaps footfall is too small as too many former passengers have now bought a car.

Carmont Memorial

In that corridor devoid of active retail there is a commemorative plaque for the three people who tragically lost their lives in the Carmont derailment four years ago, which pertinently had been marked, when I passed through on the exact anniversary four years on, with flowers added in tribute.

Where’ve the headrests gone?

Travelling from Aberdeen to Kings Cross this month I noticed all the headrests in first class Coach L had disappeared. On previoous journeys some had lost their velcro and fallen away, but now it looks as though it’s a policy decision to get rid of them.

Northern’s delayed Delay Repay continues

An update on last months mention in “Seen Around” that Northern had failed to respond to my delay repay claim for a delayed journey home from Blackpool North on 26th June, to advise that the very day of that blog being uploaded I received an email from Sandra at Northern’s Customer Services confirming my claim had been approved and my Rail Travel Vouchers would be sent out.

As they’d not arrived by 16th August I wrote asking for an update and Sandra kindly replied to explain “there was an issue with the printing of the vouchers and this delayed getting them out to customers”. Next thing was instead of vouchers arriving I received the following email….

As still no vouchers had been received by 28th August I asked Sandra for an update and she kindly replied by return to say the vouchers had been dispatched on 19th August but she would resend some more, but knowing how poor Royal Mail is these days I emailed back suggesting holding off for a few more days only to receive another email yesterday from Joseph to say “we’ve found the vouchers … these will be issued today through first class tracked post”. No doubt I’ll be receiving another feedback request form by email on Monday.

Meanwhile LNER sent me my £145 worth of vouchers for the delayed journey to Aberdeen on 12th August which were received by me on 22nd August, so well done and thanks to them. I should also add that GTR companies are now excellent at sending out compensation – the quickest I’ve ever experienced – sometimes within two or three days of the delay being claimed.

You must reserve a seat on Thameslink

I was surprised to book an advance ticket with GWR for a journey from Hassocks to Bristol Temple Meads the other day and be told “you must reserve a seat for this part of the journey” from Hassocks to Farringdon. Err, no I don’t think so GWR.

A day out in Harthill

I was intrigued to see FlixBus promoting a day out from Glasgow to Harthill for just £3.99 on social media recently and wondered if the team know what they’re doing. Harthill is a service area between junctions 4A and 5 on the M8. Not particularly ideal for a day out although I’m not sure if FlixBus are aware you won’t be able to visit Harthill’s westbound servcies next month as CityLInk advised its passengers the same day as FlixBus were promoting the delights of a day out there. You could be stranded there for up to nine days.

Back in time with a hand written receipt

I was surprised when paying with a contactless credit card for a coffee on a journey back from Norwich with Greater Anglia last week that on asking for a receipt was told it wasn’t possible from the swish i-pad style tablet the refreshment trolley contained but then the host remembered she had a pad of paper receipts so she kindly wrote one out for me. A real memory jerker of times gone by.

Seat back tables are still missing

Back in May 2018 the DfT announced it had approved the retro-fitting of seat back tables on Thameslink’s Class 700 trains, admitting the original internal specification had been on the spartan side of comfort and convenience. It was gratifying to see action followed and most trains have now been fitted.

But you’d think over six years later the project would now be complete. But it’s not, as I sometimes still experience a journey on a train without any tables being fitted – and no Wi-Fi either – another promised retro-fitment. Either that or it’s just the one rogue train that’s slipped through the net and I don’t realise I keep catching it. I’ll have to spot the number next time.

Panel beating

I spent a half hour in Chatham’s Waterfront bus station on Tuesday and it didn’t take long to see the following….

… maybe the answer is for Arriva to have all buses in plain aquamarine blue with no lettering.

And do away with the white stripe thing too.

Maybe it’s even time for a livery change. Stagecoach and First Bus seem to be doing that very thing once again.

Useless station announcements

I got caught up in more chaos on the Brighton Main Line on Thursday when returning from Guildford via Gatwick Airport to Hassocks. A “safety inspection of the track” between Purley and Gatwick meant all trains were using the Redhill line so inevitably were significantly delayed. As I’ve reported previously at times of disruption, once again the auto announcements on the platforms were completely useless. On Gatwick Airport’s Platform 7, where I was waiting for a train to Hassocks, the announcement told us the “14:06 departure was delayed and the next fastest train would be the 14:22 Southern train to Littlehamton from Platform 6” (which I knew was well behind the 14:06 in the queue of late running trains through Redhill so was absolute rubbish) and all the more so as across the tracks over on Platform 6 I heard the announcement telling passengers the “14:22 departure was delayed and the next fastest train would be the 14:06 Thameslink train to Brighton from Platform 7”. Unwary passengers could have spent the whole time with their suitcases making the switch from one platform to the other. What makes it worse is since the refurbishment and expansion of the station the announcements detect if there’s interfering noise from another announcement on the next door platform as they play out and automatiucally increase the sound level, which in turn increases the sound level of the other one and so on… until they are both blasting out completely rubbish information on maximum volume.

I spoke to a dispatcher about it, asking if this didn’t drive her mad hearing such rubbish being spouted out all the time and now at full volume, and she said she and colleagues had told managers about it but they didn’t want to know. What a state our railways are in. Truly appalling.

DRT Update

I’m limiting my DRT obsession to one blog a month these days, so as that was taken up with the Village Connect launch in Aylesbury last week (and ignoring yesterday’s unscheduled blog extra from Surrey) I thought I’d squeeze in a few DRT oddments here. First, comes news of another expansion in Worcestershire with its Bromsgrove based scheme expanded from 12th August to cover a wider area including Wythall, Alvechurch, Stoke Pound and Stoke Prior.


Photo courtesy David Cole

Secondly, news that East Sussex’s FlexiBus has done away with its original ten, then seven zonal arrangement to instead have just one zone covering the whole county (minus journeys within Eastbourne and Hastings) and with a new 14 mile journey limit.

From this….

… to this.

That sounds good in that it removes the complication of having to know where the boundaries are which meant a change of bus but the problem is you now need to know the length of your journey and if not just try your luck until it accepts a destination that’s within 14 miles of your origin.

And thirdly, Greater Bristol’s WESTlink is changing from tomorrow. The Bristol north zone (“which is funded separately from the main part of WESTlink”) will have its 12 seater minibuses replaced by smaller seven seater vehicles “to see if the service can be run more cost effectively with smaller vehicles” and the Sunday service will be withdrawn (to come into line with the rest of WESTlink). Changes to boundaries are also being introduced to the Yate rural zone and a new shared zone for Wotton-under-Edge.

What were they thinking 1?

What on earth was someone in the social media team at National Express West Midlands doing posting this photo to encourage readers to take a bus trip on one of the company’s buses last weekend?

What were they thinking 2?

It’s good to see TfL promoting its excellent value daily bus fare cap but what a shame it decided to block the window for passengers sitting in seats towards the front of the top deck.

And even sadder, those that devise these marketing campaigns fail to pay the all important attention to detail….

…. when it comes to designing the messages for posting on to the buses themselves. It just looks so amateurish and slapdash, confirming the little thought went into it.

Fill up with a bus trip

More positive was this photo sent to me by Neville who spotted petrol pump advertising by Reading Buses for its Londonline and Flighline routes at an Esso petrol station on the Great West Road.

Catch me on Catch the Bus Month

BusUsers UK are celebrating Catch The Bus Month from tomorrow and while I’m more of a Catch The Bus All Year Round kind of guy I did take up the invitation from BUUK CEO Claire Waters to join her on part of her ride around TfL’s Superloop – in particular showing her where the loop falls into the River Thames in Woolwich. Watch out for Claire’s video coming next month on social media.

Britain’s Buses At Their Best

Also, watch out for a new documentary by renowned YouTuber Geoff Marshall launching very soon featuring Britain’s Buses At Their Best. One not to be missed. (You’ll have to be extra alert to spot yours truly in it.)

And there’ll be more Seen Around at the end of next month.

Roger French.

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60 thoughts on “Seen Around

  1. R.e. Inverness platform 7, its only timetabled use this “series” is an 0812 SSuX arrival from Lairg. It’s been noted to be quite unreliably used though, and 5/6 are generally preferred for Kyle and Wick trains.

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  2. I’ve just come back from a few days in Lisbon where:

    1. Yes, we had a ticket inspector on a bus (and one got off a tram as we were getting on); and
    2. The toilets at Cais de Sodre ferry terminal are excellent but cost 1 Euro – in a country where wages are significantly lower than in Britain.

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  3. First Leicester have been advertising inspectors since January. At least 10 journies a week since then and l’ve yet to see one!! Dennis Hemsley

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  4. First Potteries also have similar revenue inspector posters, but I am beginning to think they have introduced posters plus a million questions on their website, rather than any actual inspectors

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  5. There is still no clarity on what will happen with the £2 fare scheme. Just withdrawing it is likely to reduce passenger numbers which would mean more service cuts

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  6. Can someone clear up a mystery for me? Was Aylesbury Bus Station specifically built as a Bus Station or was it built as a delivery bay for an enormous shopping centre which was never built?

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    1. Yes, it always was a bus station … I can remember it in 1984/5, when I was driving at HH garage on Green Line 708 … and it was pretty scrotty then !!

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  7. was on. A first Glasgow bus earlier in the summer and two revenue inspectors (dressed to cope with any riots they may find during the day) got on and checked everyone’s ticket. It has been many years since this happened.

    And as for Aylesbury bus station, it has always been underneath the shopping centre (I used to work in the town), which was redeveloped in the late 80s/early 90s, with the bus station getting a make over. Yes really, this is it “made over”.

    Always a depressing place to wait for a bus then, and from the pictures, does not look any better now.

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  8. I was on a Flightline 703 in Windsor recently and a ticket inspector boarded and checked all tickets.

    Steve

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  9. Its always fun to contrast people saying that “nationalising the railways will improve things” with reality:
    – its 50p to use a nationalised loo
    – the nationalised trains have no headrests
    – the nationalised train company is messing around with DR just as much as some of the private TOCs
    – the nationalised railway station had two tickets offices next to each other (neither of which it actually staffed) one of which wasn’t anywhere near the platforms it served
    – millions of quid have to be spent trying to make the trains specified by the DfT fit for purpose.

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    1. The planned Conservative approach to reorganising the railways to more of a TfL type franchising operation appears to make sense and would improved efficiency and reduce costs

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  10. Referencing Rogers photo od a National Express West Midlands B7RLE. These are currently being refurbished by NXWM Mid Life with new seating covers inside & repainting into the 1970s Grey Socks livery currently in vouge here.

    Unfortunately however over the last six months or so the maintenance & presentation of National Express West Midlands buses has deteriorated significantly .

    I was speaking to a driver from Oak Lane NXWM West Bromwich at a family get together last weekend & he confirmed they had a major bus shortage there was a big backlog on maintenance issues.

    One more headache for them I was travelling from Wolverhampton to Merry Hill on Wednesday Evening on NXWM 15 & it promptly reversed into a parked car in Kingswinford ripping open its nearside rear panel.

    Mobico PLC has major financial problems currently & it showing very plainly in West Midlands Travel Limited with abject poor punctuality, reliability and vehicle availability.

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    1. Ironically a complete contrast to it’s Coventry outpost with it’s swish electric eniro400s and the majority of it’s much smaller single deck fleet now repainted. You would think they were different companies.

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      1. Coventry was very much Andy Street CBE pet project when Mayor & the goal of the City to be fully electric with Double Deckers was very much achieved. Major investment followed with NXWM & WMCA.

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  11. In addition National Express West Midlands has a long history of using its so called Revenue Protection Officers at key fare evasion points across Birmingham & The Black Country.

    All have bodycams & are dressed for riot duty. Thier image is so over the top & off putting most I encounter regularly are quite simply nasty bullies who are downright rude to passengers .

    I have never come across a single individual who is a RPO who has ever said please or thank you when checking tickets & passes.

    Most are quite simply an utter disgrace to West Midlands Travel Limited & make LWT’s Inspector Blake look like Larry Grayson!

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  12. well done Roger to find a seat table on Thameslink! These trains are more uncomfortable than Indian Rail 3rd Class.

    As for loos – how is it even the most remote station in Italy has clean open toilets Oh also functioning lifts at all stations?

    regards Ken B (blimey is it really 11 yrs?)

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  13. As a member of staff I’m not sure I’m as keen on the no glass ticket office especially as there doesn’t seem to be an obvious escape route in that photo.

    Re toilets, just come back from the Netherlands where you are going to be paying wherever you go, station, businesses, public (unless you go on the train). And provision is not particularly large at a major station such as Rotterdam. This is something I’ve experienced similarly in other countries across the continent as well. The number and condition of toilets across Barcelona for example is an embarrassment. Perhaps this influences me when I say I don’t mind paying if a) toilets actually exist, b) I can pay by card, and c) they are well maintained.

    Jan B

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  14. Geoff’s recent documentary on ScotRails helicopter was also very interesting. I’ll look forward to his new bus video.

    That red bus group travel shop looks like something from a comedy sketch. I wonder why do so many transit operators seem to hate their own customers.

    John Stokes

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  15. Dear Roger,

    Maybe your next ‘seen around’ might be a semi-local look at the improvements to the Brighton-Horsham service 17 from September 1. The MP for Horsham is currently trying to put a block on it on behalf of the few people – in my experience – in Partridge Green who will perhaps be inconvenienced but, for the majority between Brighton and Henfield/Shermanbury it is a restoration of a half-hourly frequency and a return of a Sunday service on the route for the first time in years.

    With best wishes

    David

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    1. Yes David & Roger

      I’d also be very much interested in this. On the few occasions I caught the 17 from Horsham to Brighton the tedious diversion via and loop of Partridge Green always irked. A direct route will be much more attractive for such trips. Presumably the changes will be wildly promoted on bus station posters and in the local press.

      As for Partridge Green I’d argue that needs a service of it own. Bring back the 3?

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  16. Hi Roger,

    This latest “Seen Around” blog had me shaking my head in despair. I guess the theme would be “attention to detail”, and I noticed that the Flixbus advert to visit Harthill services had a second underlying failure – the photo in the background is of a cloverleaf junction in, I guess, the USA (the traffic is flowing on the right hand side of the road, and cloverleafs are very much an American thing). Not exactly Harthill!

    I continue to enjoy every blog!

    Best regards

    David

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  17. Unless I’ve missed it Roger I don’t think you’re seen around blog has covered the refurbished toilets (recently opened without fanfare) at Waterloo. They were much delayed on reopening but they seem to cover for every type of passenger you could imagine! Well worth a visit and the hot air dryers actually work too. The temporary units in the cab road were a disgrace and there were often long queues at the other facilities in the former Eurostar area.

    Martin W

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  18. The LNER headrests have been removed pending replacement by new ones, I understand. However, they frequently went missing not because of the velcro falling away, but because occupants of the seats removed them – something I have seen happen on many occasions.

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  19. Good to see the free bus link from Inverness to the airport, but never mind why bother with the faff of the app. Under the present app-required system does this mean that anyone without a smart phone (yes, such people do still exist) has to pay the fare? Why is everything nowadays seemingly designed by people who live their lives on the phone and can’t imagine any other form of existence?

    John

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    1. The way I read it suggests the app isn’t required for the free travel, just a rail ticket

      That also said non-smartphone users are very much in a minority today and are also very easy to use. I know my mum wouldn’t be able to figure out how to comment on this blog yet has a cheap £90 Motorola smartphone which she can use and download apps for without issue.

      -blueGiven even a basic smartphone is cheap, and unlocks access to such things….I can’t see how it would be a leap in terms of understanding if you can already navigate the internet on a PC. Essentially they’re obtainable and accessible enough that increasingly there is little excuse for those who refuse to wield one.

      -blue

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      1. … £90 for the phone but then add a monthly contract with a decent amount of data. Are there any for less than £10 excluding Three and the MVNO’s who share their network e.g. ID ?

        Why should passengers buy a smartphone & pay £120+ a year to buy tickets, access ‘free’ services, pay for parking etc. ?

        I’m not an OAP but I do have sight and hearing issues. The former requires changing glasses to see to walk around and read a phone screen. A carefully chosen basic phone & a PAYG SIM from O2 on the Classic plan ( not now readily if at all available ) meets my need. The SIM had £10 credit added when new 3 years ago and still has over £9.

        JD

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        1. Lebara (which uses Vodafone’s network) can be very cheap, especially if you can get an offer through a site like MoneySavingExpert (Martin Lewis).

          I’m currently paying just under a fiver a month for unlimited minutes and texts plus 5Gb of data through such an offer – and it’s a 30-day rolling contract rather than locked in for a year or two, so it’s easy to move on if they decide to bump the price.

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        2. The motorola purchase was a few years ago, they’re now £70 on Tesco as part of a pay-as-you-go deal for example.

          The rights and wrongs of service provision being this way via phone apps are another topic entirely. Presumably it saves some businesses and organisations a lot of money.

          All I can comment on is that this is really nothing new – once upon a time there were likely similar views regarding paying for a landline phone in order to access remote services only available by telephone calls. Given how cheap and ubiquitous access to smartphones is getting (hell, a perfectly usable second-hand one is even cheaper given the obsession some have with “upgrading” every year) this change only going to continue.

          -blue

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  20. I’ve had my ticket checked two or three times on a London TfL bus over the last few years. But they look so scruffy and threatening! At first I, and it looked like a few others , wondered at first if it was a thug after some money.

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  21. Well selling cars at railway stations is odd, but then further in the blog, bus tickets are advertised on petrol pumps. So I’d say that was a one one tie…. CH, Oxford

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  22. Bus inspectors would certainly come as a shock to passengers in Lancaster, where I haven’t seen one in the thirteen years I’ve lived here. Many young people treat their ticket as a till receipt and just put it straight in the used tickets bin before sitting down.

    i, of course, keep mine to hand throughout the ride, “just in case”!

    The last time I had my ticket checked was about 10 years ago on a Transdev bus. The inspector got on in the outskirts of Blackburn, checked the bus then went to the back, sat down and promptly fell asleep. He awoke and got off about 30 minutes later near Padiham, but whether that was his intention or not was unclear!

    Jim Davies

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  23. Two unrelated thoughts:

    1. I was amused to read the phrase “my DRT obsession”. Good to recognise when it’s at that stage! Still, not without cause. I do wonder whether Mr Hendy will intervene and stop the madness? I also wonder, picking up on the comment that shows even someone like Stephen Morris doesn’t understand DRT, whether if it was simply called “dial-a-ride”, it might do better? It’s not like the numbers traveling would overwhelm a travel office call handler.
    2. I imagine many, of a certain age, might have scoffed at the trend of influencers, youTubers, Tiktokers and the like in the outside world. Geoff Marshall has shown how a platform like YouTube really can bring new perspective to a long-established interest like ours. Like this blog, most enjoyable!

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  24. The discussion on station toilets reminds me of an occasion in Brighton a few years ago. A very drunk man staggered up to me while I standing on the platform and demanded to know where the toilets were as he was DESPERATE. Rather than waste time explaining how to get to the toilets (which were probably closed anyway) I suggested he use one on the train standing at the platform. The doors were still unlocked so he staggered on board, but the doors were then promptly locked and the train moved off to a siding (or possibly Selhurst Maintenance Depot). I’ve often wondered what became of him…

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      1. After drinking in a pub garden one fine summer’s evening, a relative fell asleep on his TfL bus home and was very surprised when woken by torrential rain. The bus was in the garage getting washed.

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  25. First South Yorkshire have had ticket inspectors for over a year now, seen them a couple of times dressed to deal with a near riot

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  26. If you don’t pay, when asked, First’s “standard fare” of £50, what can they do? It’s an outrageous amount anyway.

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  27. I was at Corwen yesterday [30/8/24] & they’ve started charging 40p to use the toilets, i don’t mind being charged that, as long as the Toilets are, clean, well stocked, fully maintained & oh clear of undesirables, as i believe the Toilets at Manchester Victoria station were notorious [particularly for the cottaging industry] back in the day.

    SM

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  28. When I used to travel regularly in London I met an inspector about once a year. The only other encounter that I can recall was on a Stagecoach bus in Middlesbrough.

    Its much more difficult for staff to extract revenue than it used to be, of course.

    Steven Salmon

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    1. I encountered a revenue protection officer on a Stagecoach-operated 320 in Bromley this month. He was in plain clothes so as not to attract attention when waiting at bus stops but had a hand-reader for Oyster cards and was satisfied with seeing my West Sussex ENCTS Bus Pass.

      2. I am very sad to see what has become of the Bluewater “Transit Centre”.

      3. It is always worth giving the toilet entrance turnstile a little nudge just to check whether it will allow a free visit!

      4. I look forward to one of the expert commenters here explaining the “i” symbol above the Greater Anglia seats.

      Steven Saunders

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      1. The symbol showing an “i” within the outline of an open book is used elsewhere to direct you to where legible information can be found, perhaps a website or a manual. Maybe there’s some fallen down the back of the seat? 😉

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      2. Having pored over the Class 745 and Class 755 virtual tours on the Greater Anglia website it is apparent the sticker is paired with the bit of black plastic next to it not the seat. Looking at First Class on a 745 gives the best view. Still baffled as to how book symbol i relates to black plastic thing though. Can they pull out and fence off those seats?

        Somebody needs to ask Greater Anglia / Stadler and put us out of our misery.

        Jan B

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    1. Public toilets that require payment seem to suffering the plastic bag syndrome where it starts as only a nominal amount then escalates. However a call of nature in the free toilets at the back of St Pancras station near the Thameslink entrance revealed the consequences with a male screaming and another topless ranting. The cubicals contained others who were obviously consuming narcotics, so I can see the need for payment in certain locations.

      While out on Brightons buses it costs £1.09 to use a convenient toilet in McDonalds at the Marina after buying a coffee. On one occasion I walked out to find the B&H management team catching the same 1X, looking at me as if to say “have you moved here recently”?

      I recently had my East Sussex Day Rover loaded on B&H’s App checked at Hastings Station by a Stagecoach inspector who seemed more interested in the App than whether the product was valid!

      I have empathy with the National Express revenue team who undertake a thankless task often backed up by the police. Fleet numbers are prominently displayed on both decks to assist them. A lady sitting near me who disputed her invalid ticket was courteously advised that the conditions of travel and fares are displayed on the cab door for her information when boarding.

      I too struggled with the Southern Railway at Victoria this week while honouring an invitation from B&H to attend the Brighton “Catch the Bus” event. Opting to change at East Croydon I passed a Ticket Hall that has disappeared since last there. The late running East Grinstead train I caught beat the Delay Repay penalty by only calling at Oxted.

      There is great news as a regular user and admirer of Arriva Merseyside and it’s antecedents for many years that they are in the running to be crowned UKs best large operator.

      Mersey Transport Trusts running day next Sunday will give me and many others the opportunity to relive our youths by sampling some of British Leylands finest products that also once graced the streets of Gillingham in immaculate NBC leaf green!

      John Nicholas

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    2. Wonderfully perceptive as always, Roger! Some good things, but sadly many cringeworthy ones as well.

      Thank you again for getting me back on your mailing list.

      Kind regards,

      Michael Bagg

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    3. Just thought I would mention an historic change in the old MidlandRedWest land from today.

      After over 100 years Red & White will no longer serve Hereford from Monmouth with Stagecoach losing the tender to Newport Bus.

      This will of course bring Newport Bus into the West Midlands which is somewhat significant.

      This is most definitely one for Roger to roadtest at some point in the world of Yeomans & Saregent Brothers as First Midland Red more or less departed Hereford in 2012 with just a handful of tendered services run in Herefordshire.

      You once were able to travel from Birmingham Bull Ring Bus Station by using Midland Red X92 & changing to Red & White X4 in Hereford to Cardiff a journey I often did in the 1970s as a child on my own with an 1 NBC Explorer ticket & today people are up in arms with social services involved with Kirstie Allsops teenage son Inter- Railing. How times have changed!

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    4. On Brighton & Hove this week I had my “ticket” inspected on the 12X out in the wilds between Seaford and Eastbourne. However as I had no ticket (the driver merely getting me to touch on) it turned out I had to tell the inspector the last 4 digits of my debit card which he supposedly checked on a print out from the ticket machine.
      The one inspector checking was a jovial chap even when a customer protested that what he was doing may get drivers into trouble and wanting to talk at length as to when a driver’s discretion would result in disciplinary action towards the driver for letting someone travel without a ticket. The other bloke blocking the stairs seemed more menacing!

      Regarding Delay Repay, my quickest was from TfW who issued a same day partial refund for my e-ticket!

      Paul.

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    5. Hears what you said.

      “Meanwhile over in Bluewater I was disappointed to see the Shopping Centre has closed its “Transit Centre” where in the good old days of bus companies wanting to encourage passengers there was always a display of timetable leaflets as well as real time departure signs inside the waiting area.”
      I don’t know when this Transit Center with timetable leaflets existed but the one time I went to Bluewater in the early 00s I encountered an information desk and sadly they had no timetables whatsoever. They were able to tell me what bus route I needed and where to get on and what time it was but that was all. I would have loved to of encounter a transit Center and collect timetable publications.

      Dan Ben.

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    6. There should be more bus inspectors as decent people have paid the correct fare so why should the cheating useless free loaders get away with it! It’s so pleasureable seeing someone who has an under 19 ticket but is over 19 getting a slap in the face by way of a heavy fine, the £50 fine should be a lot more, say £500 with a lengthy ban from using all public transport, that’ll proper teach the useless cheating scum who often moan they have no money yet you still see them with a smart phone glued to their ear, pillocks the lot of them. I’m not on the best wage going (12.35 per hour) yet pay my way so having a poor wage is no excuse!

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    7. Class 700s – I believe the fitment of seatback tables was authorised partway through the build, so those from thereon got them but there has been no retrofitment to those already completed. The change also included provision of Wi-Fi (another omission) – you can tell which trains have both as they have Wi-Fi stickers on the doors. I can’t remember how many got both in the end, but there’s a significant proportion which didn’t.
      Phil S

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    8. Careful what you wish for re. bus stations. Slough’s old one was as bleak as Aylesbury’s, but at least it had a roof to keep the rain off unlike its short-lived replacement, a fancy affair that failed to give any bad weather protection if there was the merest hint of a breeze.

      Thanks for the tip re the relocated EMR ticket office at St Pancras. I’ve always previously used theirs in preference to the Thameslink one as the queue always seemed to be shorter and they still had credit card sized tickets, far easier to keep in a wallet than the long paper rolls. The new location also means I can go straight from the Underground to platform level without the annoying double-back to get to the bottom of the escalators.

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    9. Three thoughts…

      There hasn’t been an EMT ticket office at St Pancras for well over 5 years, which is how long it is since EMT was replaced by EMR (and I seem to recall that Stagecoach got very stroppy if you called their operation EMT – it was the full name or else!);

      That mobility buggy at Marylebone looks like something out of Camberwick Green or Chigley; and

      LNER’s seats do have headrests. What they don’t have is headrest covers (or antimacassars if you’re from the charabanc era of coaching!)

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    10. Re: Toilets.

      Did any of the Scotrail stations have a “WOIRA” notice posted? (Withdrawal of implied right of access)?

      If not, the “scotrail customers only” notice could be construed as a WOIRA specifically for the toilets, although without any enforceable wording. Or just a lame attempt at deterrence.

      MilesT

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    11. As for ‘Delay Repay’ (Delay the Repayment) can anyone else beat this for ‘customer service’? *

      INCIDENT:

      On 25/08/24 my wife travelled Cambridge-Wolverhampton return (any permitted route) ECML was closed for signalling updated/testing so the journey was CBG-TOM (Greater Anglia) TOM-EUS (TfL Victoria Line) EUS-WVH (Avanti West Coast) and similar for return.

      All went well outbound, and WVH-EUS on the return… Whereupon, a broken rail at Harlow on the West Anglia Main Line caused the cancellation of services towards SSD and CBG with no buses available to replace services as they were all in use for ECML replacement. OK, these things happen and my wife was aware of the incident ahead of arrival at EUS so took the slow (scenic?) route of STP-LUT (Thameslink) LUT-HIT (bus) HIT-RYS (bus) RYS-CBG (Great Northern arriving CBG approx 1h10min after original ETA.

      CLAIM:

      Claim submitted to Greater Anglia 19:40 TOM-GBG-CMB cancelled delay >60mins.

      GA RESPONSE (26/08/24):

      Dear [✂︎],

      Thank you for your delay repay claim for your journey between Wolverhampton and Cambridge on 25/08/2024 at 16:45 .

      We have been unable to approve your claim as the train that delayed your journey was not one of ours. The train was operated by Avanti West Coast. 

      We have sent full details of your claim, to the Customer Relations Team at Avanti West Coast…

      AVANTI WC RESPONSE (31/08/24):

      Dear [✂︎],

      Thank you for your delay repay claim which we received on Mon, 26 Aug 2024. We are sorry that you experienced a delay to your journey.

      Your claim has been checked using a set process and the details of any delay verified using industry systems holding historic train running information. We have reviewed your claim and can confirm the following:

      Travel Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024

      Departing: 16:32 from WOLVERHAMPTON to CAMBRIDGE

      Decision: Unsuccessful

      We have checked the journey you have claimed for and our records show that this service was operated by another train operator (Greater Anglia). Therefore, we are unable to process your claim.

      […]

      To ensure that your claim is dealt with as efficiently as possible we have forwarded your claim to Greater Anglia.

      What happens next?

      The train operator, Greater Anglia, will be in touch with you directly with further information about any compensation that may be due.

      (No response received from GA)

      MY WIFE’S ‘APPEAL’ TO GA (02/09/24):

      The train which delayed my journey was NOT operated by Avanti West Coast.

      As I made clear in my original claim, my delay was caused by the cancellation of the 19:40 Greater Anglia departure from Tottenham Hale which would have given me an arrival time at Cambridge of around 20:50.

      This train, and subsequent trains, were cancelled owing to a broken rail at Harlow.

      Fortunately, I became aware of this disruption before my arrival at Euston from Wolverhampton, on an Avanti West Coast train which was on time.

      Consequently, I had only one other option, to get home, which was to divert via St Pancras, Luton Airport Parkway, bus to Hitchin, 2nd bus to Royston and train to Cambridge, arriving Cambridge 21:59.

      My journey was, therefore, delayed by over 1 hour but less than 2 hours. NONE of this was the responsibility of Avanti West Coast and I am unable to comprehend why you forwarded my claim to this the operator.

      The delay was solely caused by the cancellation of the 19:40 Greater Anglia departure from Tottenham Hale, and subsequent trains, owing to a broken rail at Harlow.

      Please process my claim correctly.

      (Response awaited)

      Now, we are well aware of the poor reputation of Avanti WC, but this had nothing to do with them. The confusion probably came from GA’s requirement to list every leg of the journey. Did no human look at this? Did machine learning (AI?) spot Avanti WC and automatically forward the claim?Are GA’s Delay Repay teams based in Britain? Do they use British trains? Do they understand the network? Have they heard of Harlow?

      Perhaps we shall never know…

      [*] Bet there’s many who can!

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    12. I missed the blog on the £2 fare. As someone with a family of three and no car it was a game changer in two ways. It made our journeys on holiday in Dorset significantly cheaper and it meant we no longer had to weigh up competing operators different offers which is inconvenient and stressful and potentially delay causing. For example travelling from Weymouth to Corfe Castle we could solely focus on the most convenient timed bus not the one whose special ‘family day ticket’ we had had to buy to make the whole trip affordable. Coming back we just got the first bus to arrive. I sincerely hope it doesn’t disappear entirely and is in fact the first step to an integrated network based and multi modal model for public transport unlike the unconscionable anarchy we have now in which passengers are the lowest priority.

      MikeC

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    13. Just thought I would update everyone with the news that I understand Johnsons Coaches of Liversedge Hill, Henley in Arden have been given a formal warning by the Office of Traffic Commissioner

      I know a number of posters on Rogers blog have particular interest in the company & frequently laud it as an operator of excellence.

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    14. Geoff’s video is excellent – as they always are – but I don’t think that relying solely on apps for information is the way forward. Passenger’s products are very good but they – and other apps – only work if there’s a decent phone signal, which isn’t always the case in many urban areas. I tried to use the app of my local operator in Salisbury today but it was a thankless task as there was simply no signal. Thankfully the aforementioned operator also produces good quality printed publicity, and I recognise that the app problem wasn’t their fault, but I wish all of the big ‘group’ operators would understand this!

      Darryl in Dorset.

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    15. Around Cambridge, at-stop printed timetable information is patchy. The major operator, Stagecoach East (Cambus legals) provides this at a minority of stops. The transport authority, Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority, has a rolling programme of installing at-stop RTPI. Minor operators on contracted services don’t really have the resources and might not benefit from any additional farebox revenue.

      The exemplar is Whippet – a former family-owned business purchased by Tower Transit and now part of the Ascendal Group.

      At each stop:

      • Bus stop flag showing route Nº and ‘towards’
      • Case containing timetable, and (usually) route map

      Onboard the bus:

      • Timetable leaflets/booklets
      • Audio/visual stop announcements (most buses)

      Whippet’s work with the University of Cambridge, which awarded it an eight-year contract for the Universal service, […] gave the operator confidence to invest in zero-emission vehicles and other improvements.

      Ascendal plans to bid for franchise contracts tendered by the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority. Other areas are also of interest, subject to how arrangements are structured by the respective local authority.

      Ascendal Group: Whippet overhaul and franchising focus are core | Tim Deakin, RouteOne, Published September 16, 2024

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