Seen Around … Glasgow

Tuesday 30th January 2024

This month’s Seen Around is a special miscellany garnered on a recent couple of days I spent in Glasgow where I was delighted to make a presentation to the McGills Group ‘management team talk’ Awayday held at Hampden Park Stadium, as you can see above.

As usual, while in the City a few oddities caught my eye.

Glasgow Airport’s TVM

As you come out of domestic arrivals at Glasgow’s main airport there’s a ScotRail Ticket Vending Machine which is nice. But there’s no railway station at the airport and you have to be a mind reader to work out what tickets it sells.

Taking a look at the “popular destinations” on the home screen I guessed from the fares quoted that the tickets include travel into Glasgow city centre on First’s Airport Express route 500, as the prices quoted are higher than if travelling from Glasgow Central or Queen Street. But there’s no consistency apparent in the pricing. For example the first three fares quoted above to Edinburgh, Stirling and Oban are £2.70, £8.40 and £18.50 more expensive than the off-peak return fares from Central or Queen Street.

I was travelling to Mount Florida, a local station south of Glasgow, close to Hampden Park Stadium, and as you can see from the above screen it wanted to charge me £8.10, whereas the Single from Glasgow Central is £2.50 making a difference of £5.60 for the bus fare. As you can see, the “Departure station” is shown as “Glasgow Airport Xbus”. Which isn’t something I’m familiar with and I doubt any other passengers are either.

Just for fun, I thought I’d see id I could buy a ticket to my home station of Hassocks.

But it didn’t like that, so I assume it only likes stations in Scotland.

Next bus departures

Alongside the mystery TVM is an SPT screen displaying upcoming departures from the bus stops immediately outisde the terminal building, which is helpful. Only First’s 500 is shown as real time, although as the route starts from the airport I expect there’s an assumption all buses will be leaving on time. First’s route 77 and McGills’ 757 just show timetable time – with the latter being a through route between Paisley and Clydebank so could usefully show real time.

But what particularly is noticeable is a lack of stand numbers where the three routes depart from. That would be very helpful together with a clear diagram showing where to go for each one.

And SPT needs to install a timetable for the 757 in the timetable case at the departure point – which is the same one for both directions.

Citylink’s AIR Confusion

I explained in a previous blog Citylink introduced a new hourly route 902 last year connecting Buchanan Street bus station with Edinburgh airport via Bargeddle, Coatbridge, Airdrie and Livingston, taking an hour and 49 minutes. This is in addition to the longer established (since 2013) Air branded direct route that takes just 54 minutes and runs half hourly.

The confusion comes because both routes depart from the same stand in Buchanan Street bus station and all the more so when Citylink allocated an “air” branded coach on the 902, as was the case on the morning I was passing through.

There was a Citylink member of staff loudly calling out to passengers wanting the airport (which most did) not to board that coach as it would take them almost an hour longer, but the profile of the 902 is ironically higher in the bus station than the prestigious Air branded route with posters as you come into the bus station encouraging you to travel to the Designer Outlet in Livingston…

… but also, confusingly, to Edinburgh Airport.

Two colourful timetable leaflets are available which give details of each route, which helps clarify things for those that do their research.

Citylink’s timetables.

And while on Citylink’s timetable leaflets it was heartening to see a fullsome display in the newly located Travel Office in Buchanan Street.

… and a lovely colourful map too.

If only National Express would do something similar.

There’s even a leaflet for the one bus, hourly, tendered SPT bus route 23 between Springhill and Whitburn which Citylink oddly recently won.

As for SPT itself…..it used to have an information counter in the middle of the concourse with leaflet racks that at one time were over brimming with timetables and informtion. Sadly this has now been replaced by a rather unfriendly grey coloured unit with no printed information available at all.

And then I spotted a notice on the former Citylink Travel Office that this is the “first phase of station improvements” with a new “comfortable environment”.

Which led me to do some research and found a news item from SPT dated 2018 explaining how the concourse would be de-cluterred of fake trees, seats and other ‘stuff’ and includes a photograph of how it looked at that time.

That ‘hotel reception’ style information desk looked so inviting and much more wlecoming than the grey cabin that’s replaced it – but hopefully it’s only temporary.

Toilet inconsistencies

The lovely refurbished toilets in the basement of Glasgow Central railway station really are a pleasure to use, being clean and spacious, and notably, free to use…

…whereas inexplicably the toilets in the lovely rebuilt Queen Street station are continuing to charge 50p. Who carries 50p coins around with them these days? I’m sure most users just squeeze by the turnstile arms.

Lovely departure displays

In an example of good practice Network Rail would do well to get those responsible for Euston to copy, the departure board at both Central (above) and Queen Street (below) are lovely and clear to read, can be seen from passengers using seats to wait, and even include advertising to a level that’s not overly intrusive. So it can be done.

Why <Neilston>?

But one thing that puzzled me at Glasgow Central is why the destination of Neilston is shown with a < before and a > after the name…

…wherever it appears, although in the other departures coming up later listing it looks more like a couple of arrows.

Subway ticket offices

Meanwhile on the Glasgow Subway I was impressed with the number of ticket machines…

…and a ticket office which was open and proving just as popular at the stations. This being Hillhead.

… but it seems a shame the system doesn’t operate for longer than just limited shopping hours on Sundays.

Stand on the left is not right

It’s always been the case passengers stand on the right on London Underground escalators and I’ve noticed this is so engrained as a way of using said moving staircases that people do it everywhere, including shopping centres and arenas. Except, to my surprise, the Glasgow Subway…

…where notices tell passengers to “Please Stand on the Left”. Except everyone I saw was standing on the right.

Information overload at Central

Back at Glasgow Central I was impressed by the ScotRail branded Information kiosk under the departure board.

This was a veritable treasure trove of transport and tourist information.

It had lots of leaflets to help the visitor including First’s Airport Express route 500 (far left third row down in photo below)…

… and a map showing where to catch a First Bus bus to some of the tourist hot spots and information on the Glasgow Subway.

I’m not sure how up to date all the maps on the wall might be though.

But it was good to see.

Central’s heritage

You can’t help but marvel at the wonderful architecture and heritage of Glasgow Central railway station and one thing that’s most noticeable is how all the retailers have to forgo their usual brash logos for the simple typeface used in the station as part of the heritage.

Except, as you can see above, some double up, just in case you’re wondering what a Body Shop or Accessorize might be without the benefit of the brand image.

Strathaven success

Regular blog readers may recall I wrote about the exciting new bus route 3C introduced by community group Climate Action Strathaven based in the town, south of Glasgow, back in March last year. The service had been introduced in October 2022. It’s great to see it’s doing so well and now has 12 departures on Mondays to Fridays with 10 on Saturdays.

Priorities

One of the most noticeable things about First’s buses in Glasgow as I travelled around was how dirty they were, notwithstanding the bad weather, other operators weren’t nearly as bad, and I could only conclude something must be wrong with the bus wash at the garage.

And it was also noticeable how DVSA inspectors must be strict on buses having to display legal lettering. Never mind that passengers could hardly see out of the window. As long as they have a postal address they can complain to, then that’s all that matters.

Station link

And finally for this Glasgow Special issue of Seen Around, it was nice to see the bus used on route 398, the Scotrail funded station link between Central and Queen Street (and Buchanan Street) is now a smart looking electric bus.

But, hang on, it’s operated by First Glasgow and looked remarkably clean with no need to highlight the legal lettering.

How odd.

More miscellany from the rest of Britain at the end of next month.

Roger French

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24 thoughts on “Seen Around … Glasgow

  1. For a period of time, the escalators at Manchester Piccadilly were plastered with “stand on the left” stickers, whilst a harsh robotic voice randomly shouted at users to “stand on the right hand side”. Hopeless

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    1. Standing on the right on escalators in London has its roots in the fact that the Underground was first developed by Americans hence the underground trains drove on the right and the carriages were referred to as cars

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      1. Or could it just be that most people are right handed so instinctively hold on the right hand moving hand rail. As a left hander I find I prefer to be on the left (though I realise this could prove lethal on the Tube).

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      2. Really? I have never heard of right hand running, except at unusual stations like Bank (Northern Line), recently rebuilt but still right hand running.

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  2. I was waiting to read about one of your favourite complaints, branded buses on the wrong routes. This is still a common occurrence in my part of the city.

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  3. The reason that Neilston is shown in brackets is to help distinguish it from Newton for people who are visually impaired, as the shape of the letters is very similar and they are in the same group of routes using the same type of trains and departing from the same platforms.

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  4. I presume that the difference in toilet fees is because Central is run by Network Rail and Queen Street by ScotRail?
    I also noticed the difference in escalator instructions.
    Finally, if you get the chance to do one of the Glasgow Central tours, take it. They are very good.
    Dave James

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    1. When the refurbished Queen Street station was opened the toilets were free. However particularly Friday and Saturday they were (ab)used by all and sundry. The barriers with the 50p charge were installed to curtail this.

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  5. What a shame the bulging information racks all over Glasgow, and indeed throughout the UK, are aimed solely at the Tourist these days, and the chance of finding a basic network bus map are zilch. Little wonder that most emerging from Airports and rail stations instantly join taxi queues. Or perhaps we have become Disneyland without the sunshine?

    Even in the now far off days when you could obtain timetable leaflets for every service in the magnificent Buchanan Street bus station, bus maps were as rare as hen’s teeth, although did occasionally get produced even if firmly kept “under the counter”. As with many Tourist Information offices and Libraries, you need to actually explain what a bus map is…..

    Terence Uden

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    1. Have you tried reading what goes ads timetable information at bus stops? They are almost unreadable and you have no chance of reading them at all at night

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  6. Dirty buses seem to be a winter thing in a lot of places. water supplies could well(sic) be limited and vehicles can get mucky very quickly.

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  7. The Glasgow Central tour is rubbish. Nothing but ghost stories and seeing unremarkable bits of the subterranean station. Don’t waste your money.

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    1. But this is written in England by an English person so becomes Stand as soon as the border is crossed. Quite why Scotland feels it has to have it’s own words for a bus stop I’ll never know. Next thing us English will read is Platforms in Scotland are actually called something else like Jockblocks.

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  8. There’s a whole load of small print at the top of that TVM about peak/off-peak fares – which is currently entirely irrelevant as ScotRail have, as a trial, made everything off-peak.

    The XBus fares are a bargain though – cheaper than buying a bus ticket!

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  9. What was most noticeable to me regarding the Next Bus screen at Glasgow Airport was just where on earth C’Bank might be, and why the 757 bus goes “via Airport” given I’m already there.

    Is it really not possible to spell out Clydebank in full? Far too few companies these days have an interest in QA and seeing things from the passenger’s point of view. Perhaps if they didn’t regard us as mere customers things might change.

    Paul B

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  10. First’s idea of local branding: simply stick the name of the city on the side panels but otherwise make it no different to any other bus in the fleet anywhere in the country

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    1. I see little benefit in branding and a lot of misadventures to it.

      All people want is a smart clean bus something that First Bus frequently fail on

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    2. First Essex, First Doncaster and First Sheffield (at least)would beg to differ. But I will concede that they’ve messed up by going back to a single electric bus livery again for the recent electrics in York and Norwich.

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  11. Roger

    As a regular user of Buchanan Street – I too have noted the confusion to passengers between Air and the 902. On my last occasion of using the 902 – it was left to the 902 driver to direct Airport passengers to the Air.

    Being a helpful citizen – I contacted SPT who manage (very well) the bus station suggesting, to avoid the confusion, and be more helpful to the likely users of this service that the reference on alphabetical departure screens for the 902 should not show “Edinburgh Airport” – but the destinations of Coatbridge, Airdrie and Livingston should be listed.

    SPT replied promptly – but said this was not possible as the “computer said no”(!!)

    So I tried!!

    An interesting aside – the 902 has filled a notable (and surprising) gap in the greater Glasgow bus network – it has restored a bus link to Coatbridge and Airdrie and beyond the SPT area, a less important(but useful) link to Livingston.

    Regards
    Ian

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