Saturday 30th September 2023

Another month’s miscellaneous musings not worthy of a full blown blog from my travels in September including the lovely Helsby Junction signal box and still very much in use (above).
Oxted delight
I made an “integrated public transport journey” from train to bus in Oxted earlier in the month and was struck by the extensive retail offer in the town bearing in mind its relative small size with an 11,500 population but no doubt helped by a rather prosperous hinterland. The rail station run by Southern was also welcoming…

… with a lovely map and mural in the ticket office area….

… and even had two windows, albeit only one open.

And the subway under the railway had its walls decorated by colourful tiles.

A great station.
Farewell Southdown

Following Southdown Buses being purchased by the Go-Ahead Group it’s poignant to see the buses now being absorbed into the Metrobus brand with the Southdown (“Your local, independent bus company”) name disappearing as Metrobus vinyls now appear on the fleet …

… pending repaints into that company’s livery. This, of course, is the second time the Southdown name has disappeared. Will it make it back for a third time?

Manchester bus woes
While I was in Manchester for the Public Transport North conference I thought I’d try out a ride on the city centre free bus network. It had been changed back in April when the three routes were revised to just two.

Buses on both new routes 1 and 2 should run every 10 minutes. Following a long wait of around 20 minutes with no buses appearing outside Manchester Piccadilly railway station when there should have been four departures, I decided against the idea guessing city centre roads must be suffering from severe traffic congestion as they often are.

I suspect there were also vehicle issues with the 13 year old Optare Versas Go North West inherited from First Bus to operate the service as a double deck was operating on the routes on both days I was in Manchester.
While waiting for the bus I had time to look at the publicity including this rather complex but comprehensive street map depicting the three routes and therefore confusingly being around six months out of date and useless.

It wasn’t the only out-of-date map left on display to mislead potential passengers as they exited Piccadilly station. The map on this totem right outside the station exit…

… also showed the three routes that ran pre April.

Luckily, if a passenger ventured into one of the two bus shelters for routes 1 and 2, and could get to the head of the queue that had built up waiting for the bus, they’d have found an updated map.

The colourful vinyls on the outside of the shelter still confusingly referred to the withdrawn route 3…

… as did the promotion of the routes as you left the station.

It doesn’t bode well for promoting the Bee Network whenever that might change.
More on ticket offices

As staff at Transport Focus and London Travelwatch continue reading the 680,000 responses to the public consultation about closing almost all ticket offices, I’ve taken to keeping an eye on the relative use being made by passengers between an open ticket office window and a Ticket Vending Machine (TVM) when given a choice. The above photo depicts around 16 passengers queueing at the windows while most of the 20 TVMs opposite stand idle at Victoria.
Over at Hatfield a queue at the ticket office …

… while the TVM immediately outside stands idle.

And in Bolton queues to buy a ticket at three open windows with three TVMs standing unused nearby (I didn’t take a photo, but trust me, they were).

Give me a sign
Still in Bolton, I noted the main exit from the station continues to be signed for “Buses & Taxis”…

… whereas buses now mainly depart from the new “Interchange” which opened six years ago in 2017. For that you need to turn right and go through an unmarked corridor and footbridge over the railway tracks. Come on Northern, keep up (although I acknowledge you can access the Interchange via the old route).

Congratulations Angie
Well done to Angie Doll who’s been promoted to become CEO of GTR. Obviously this was lauded across social media by the Go-Ahead Group but I had to smile at the “Image description” from the Tweet describing the posed shot as “Woman standing on a platform at a train station, with a blurred view of a train in the background”.

I’m sure Angie won’t bring a blurred vision to her new role though and here are a couple of suggestions she might like to take up….
Electrostar refurbs
It’s nice to see the first tranche of GTR’s £55 million refurbishment of Southern Railway’s 75 Electrostar Class 377/4 trains is now complete. You can always tell a refurbished train from the much welcome usb/plug sockets now installed under the windows by each pair of seats (hard luck if you’re on an aisle seat) and electronic information screens scrolling around promotional images to travel by train.

It’s just so disappointing that the head rests on seats couldn’t have been replaced or even given a wash as part of the £55 million. They really do let the image down now.

Hassocks ahead of the ticket office closure game

Meanwhile at my lovely local station, Hassocks, we’re already well ahead of the ticket office closure programme by having ….. a closed ticket office. OK, I’m not being very fair, it was just for a few mornings over a two week period when one of the two regular members of staff in the Ticket Office was on a well deserved fortnight’s summer holiday and no-one came to take over as is often the case.
The only trouble was on the first Monday morning, the TVM was out of service…

… and on the following Monday … no matter how hard you “touch to start” it just wouldn’t wake up.

As I’ve previously observed we do have another TVM positioned by the Brighton bound platform 2 accessed via the subway but it’s often impossible to use on a sunny morning due to the screen being directly in line from the sun.

On another morning there were no gateline staff either and a regular passenger who is blind arrived to buy a ticket and ended up being rescued by the helpful owner of the adjacent coffee stall who looked after him and ensured he could board his train.

On a Friday morning the gateline staff member felt he had to offer apologies knowing the frustration the continuing closure causes passengers.

I hope Angie does too and it’s not a blurred impression.

And did you spot that poster in the photo of the ticket office queue at Victoria? Welcome to our helpful ‘world leading’ public transport in London where everything is fully “integrated”. Not.

One other little task for you, Angie. Could you have a word with the signallers about routing a train from Coastway West into Brighton station Platform 1 when a train is already stabled at the buffer end meaning passengers have to walk all the way along the platform when alighting even though both platforms 2 and 3 (accessible from the Coastway West tracks) were completely empty.

It didn’t help that it was the first train to arrive into Brighton along the line after a two hour gap in service due to a problem with the electrical supply between West Worthing and Angmering.
Avanti’s new contract
And while I’m in rail journey whinge mode: hello Avanti and congratulations on your long term contract award from the DfT this month but please try not to cancel the completely full 15:00 train to Manchester at 14:58 on a reduced Sunday timetable with all passengers on board expecting it to depart on time in two minutes due to …. no driver. Surely that was known about before then?
As D Ream used to say “Things can only get better”.

Good for Safeguard
I’ve featured plaudits for Guildford based Safeguard before and once again want to highlight the company’s continued excellent policy of printing timetables with maps and ensuring they’re always available on board buses as seen here.

Well recovered Pingo, the Routing company
Following my recent blog about getting stranded in the village of Kirdford, West Sussex when the Pingo app cancelled my journey before the DRT bus had arrived as well as other issues I highlighted, I was contacted by the tech company called The Routing Company (“Powering flexible, efficient and convenient transit”) based in the USA which runs the app, wanting to obtain my feedback and any suggestions first hand.

That was impressive I thought, so happily accepted the invitation to join a four-way zoom call with CEO James Cox based in Texas (bottom left), Saurabh Mohan in Arizona (top left) and Pandora Shelley in New York (top right) to discuss my recent ride experiences not only using the Pingo app but their competitors’ apps too. It was an interesting half hour and I’m very pleased the team took away my comments and undertook to improve the app where the deficiencies have been highlighted. Good for them. But it does make me smile to think tech people based right across the USA are having such an influence on bus passengers in deepest rural West Sussex.
An extra eight seconds on the Bakerloo
My eye was caught by this fascinating poster at Paddington Underground station advising there’s now an extra eight seconds to wait for a peak train on the Bakerloo line with 23 seconds more to wait early on Saturday mornings.

TfL can be reassured I won’t be put off using the Bakerloo line as a result of these changes.
Keep Your Distance
Meanwhile back in Manchester I noticed there’s still a need to keep 2 metres apart when walking around the city centre. You can’t be too careful.

Hidden parking for TfGM staff
Mind you, Transport for Greater Manchester staff won’t be impacted on their journeys to and from the office as I noticed the Double Tree Hotel car park underneath the hotel has a large area of parking set aside for TfGM staff to park. I couldn’t help wondering why Metrolink trams and the much hyped Bee Network aren’t sufficient for their mobility needs. It’s not a very good example to set citizens of the city. Perhaps that’s why it’s location is not very prominent – only being visible when the garage doors are occasionally opened for a delivery or let a guest in or out. Otherwise the doors are closed and the sign hidden from view.

Some Twitter trends
Over at the Social Media channel everyone now calls “X, formerly known as Twitter” which was formerly known as Twitter, it’s been a busy month of communications from bus and train company social media teams.
Blackpool Transport tried to recruit a complainant making a complaint about the lack of a tram journey to become a tram driver….

… which I don’t think quite came across as intended.
While at First Essex frustration boiled over in the team when trying to explain a delay in dealing with a bus breakdown…

… the tweet was subsequently deleted.
And still in Essex, Travel Essex were encouraging passengers to attend relaxation classes now available at bus stops throughout that county.

And I noticed a strange Twitter time line at Grand Central where any tweets about cancelled trains (and there are quite a few these days) are all deleted at the end of the day so there’s no online history other than bizarrely a whole chain of “Good morning” and “That’s all from us today” tweets from May last year. Most odd. Take a look here.


Toilet stop
It’s now time for our habitual monthly toilet stop and this time a whinge about the provision (lack thereof) of toilets for the female gender at St Pancras International. Like London Bridge the station gets lauded for its reconstruction and has won many awards. I can never understand why when such a basic provision is completely lacking, much to the inconvenience of women in the regular queues that build up – especially when a Eurostar train is departing soon.

Meanwhile in Bolton I was encouraged to see the bus station toilets were on free vend on Monday morning. I hope this is a permanent feature and not just because lots of TfGM staff were in the bus station for the first morning of the Bee Network. Assuming it is permanent, please can the hideous turnstiles be removed as soon as possible – maybe Wandsworth Prison would be interested in taking them for its kitchen?

Luggage Hold
The modern day problem impacting rail companies of too much luggage also afflicts coach companies as I spotted in Leicester on my recent visit. I feel sorry for drivers having to load all that lot.

And while on the subject of luggage and how much passengers wheel around with them these days, I for one wasn’t afraid to say firmly “excuse me” as I passed through this Thameslink Class 700 train on its way to Gatwick Airport last week.

All the luggage you can see belonged to two people.
NBC style

Still in Leicester, am I the only person to spot the positioning of the fleet name and logo on First Leicester’s new electric single deck buses is reminiscent of the way NBC subsidiaries did the same on their buses in the 1970s and early 1980s?

Another Acton

London famously has seven stations called Acton (Main Line, Central, Town, North, South, East, West), but there is one more on the National Rail network and I had the delight of visiting it this month when seeking out the Cheshire West DRT.

It’s even got a long closed shuttered ticket office window.

Can you see the join?

I was puzzled by something I hadn’t noticed before when travelling on a new Transport for Wales Class 197 train this month.

There were no doors between the two carriages.

I can only assume they’re locked away behind the cabinet doors so when the train is split for whatever reason an end seal can be put on the carriage. Or are they like the walk through trains belonging to many train companies these days and aren’t ever going to be split?

Please ignore the above item as my brain wasn’t quite in gear when writing it as the train is obviously a two-coach “walk through” style and not meant to split.
But I still can’t get over the complete waste of space taken up by the useless and unused galley area on a two coach train.

Truronian in Guildford

An unusual visitor to Guildford on First’s RailAir service to Heathrow Airport last Saturday was this coach in Truronian livery.

Maybe it’s a long term loan with the new RailAir 3 service now operating from Watford Junction taking precedence for RailAir branded vehicles?
Never again TfL
There’s been a justified social media storm over TfL’s crass decision to rename Bond Street Underground station to Burberry Street during London Fashion Week earlier this month.

It’s one thing to give exclusive space on escalators….

… it’s quite another to change all the signs on platforms…

… causing considerable confusion and bewilderment among passengers as I found when visiting the station during the campaign.

Many commentators on social media rightly criticised the move which smacked of an unfunny student rag week stunt from the 1970s…

… rather than a world leading public transport organisation supposedly proud of the quality of its wayfinding.

It just gave the impression of an organisation in such desperate financial circumstances it’s willing to grab any money from any act of self harm. So pretty accurate I suppose. Except that on top of all the confusion caused to passengers the service on the Central line on the Saturday I was there (16th) was impacted by a “shortage of staff in the control room” leading to long gaps in service, overcrowded platforms in many stations including Bond Street and shuttle trains running between Leytonstone and Epping and North Acton and West Ruislip. Passengers were not impressed.

Do us all a favour TfL. Cease these inappropriate money grabbing ideas and sort out the disruptive problems of staff shortages.
And finally
Most of my travels are as a solo passenger but sometimes it’s a pleasure to be joined by good friends including the recent Flying Scotsman trip on the Bluebell Railway when Ray Stenning, Martijn Gilbert and Geoff Marshall came along, as captured in a rare (for me) selfie.

More miscellany at the end of next month.
Roger French
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Thanks for this – I always enjoy your ‘Seen Around’ blogs! Though it is a bit depressing to see how often signage and passenger information is not kept up to date. As so often, the management grab at cost-cuts to save spending on staff to do the job and regularly check over their patch, forgetting the reputational damage and loss of income from passengers.
Yes, Oxted is a lovely place to shop – it’s popular with car-drivers from Sevenoaks, but alas not with bus passengers, as the connections in Westerham are now all but non-existent, though LT green buses used to have a pretty reliable hourly connection when they met in Westerham. Perhaps that’s a restoration Go-Ahead could talk about with Go-Coach Hire …
Rick Townend
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Or extend the Go-Coach service to Oxted where there are better connections with rail and buses
MotCO
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One of the problems now is there is little stability in bus services with routes and timetable changing at the drop pf a hat/ Low cost E-Ink displays could solve a lot of the problem but no one wants to spend any money. Even what few Real Time information displays there are rarely work reliably
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Congratulations Angie …
Angie’s surname is Doll not Dodds.
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TfW CAF units are class 197, a 397 is a TPE electric 🙂
The TfW 197 and also WMT 196 share the same features of Northern’s 195 units being the same product family – and like all modern build units now – hence the lack walk-through carriage and no gangway doors
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Thanks for that – 197 now corrected.
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The Truronian coach has been seen on RA3 recently . . . quite a surprise, although I do like the shade of green . . . not quite Lincoln Green, but close. Perhaps some Canary Yellow trim?
I was at Bond Street on the weekend of the renaming . . . many passengers were bemused; looking vaguely around for confirmation as to where they were . . . very poor indeed from TfL, but I’d expect little else from the organisation . . . very few “transport professionals” in charge now.
In re Hassocks . . . might I venture an opinion about the staffing imbalance recently? If the gateline person had been trained in booking office procedures, could then the ticket office have been opened?
I’ve been through Newbury recently, and the screened booking office has been replaced by a desk with a person with i-pad in hand selling tickets. Said person there can deal with gateline issues AND sell tickets. Perhaps our intrepid blogger could investigate?
I too enjoy the monthly round-ups of snippets . . . keep it up!
greenline727
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It may make normal common sense to train people to be able to multitask, but training days cost money and take people away from doing something else, and as this is the railway the bean counters usually think they know better!
Did you know, for example, that platform staff at places like Lewisham and Hither Green are NOT trained to do dispatch, so if the monitors malfunction the staff cannot assist the driver with departure duties! You’d think that would be one of the main tasks they are hanging around to help out with, wouldn’t you? Apparently not!
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If a coach in one of these new units with no doors between carriages has to be locked out for any reason then I assume the whole unit now has to be taken out of service instead, probably resulting in the train now having to be cancelled where it was just less accommodation before….. that’s progress for you!!
And I guess these new units are also totally inflammable, as that was another reason to have those pesky door things in between the coaches in the bad old days….?
(Mackay)
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Where does that leave Elizabeth line trains, plus London Overground, where they are open for the full length of the train.
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Oxted Station also has a direct undercover walking lnk to the station car park built underneath Morrisons, so it is well connected in every sense.
MotCO
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Interesting round up. I hope that someone will have collated the proportion of tickets sold at staffed offices compared to TVMs when both are available. The closure plan fits into the new narrative of pouring money into potholes and starving minority forms of transport, like trains, buses and planes. Sorry, cycling not planes
With regards to the parking at TfGM, the office is located nearly 400 yards from a bus station and across a road from a railway station. Directors, or executives, cannot be expected to use mass transport -the clue is in the name.
Gareth Cheeseman
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Difficult to justify ticket office staff at stations where they issue very few tickets. THey may have a few customers at peaks but the rest of the time almost none
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that’s already been done and shows that ticket office sell very few ticket’s
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Lovely looking timetable leaflets from Safeguard, shows pride in their services. The TfL Burberry Street stunt was cringeworthy, and very stupid due to station names being a key to wayfinding.
Peter Brown
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Given that BSIPs were supposed to include bus priority as a key element (rightfully), and loads of taxpayers money has been awarded to such schemes, this latest bizarre flip flop is just insane. It also U turns on a host of climate change mitigation, active travel, public transport, cleaner air, liveable neighbourhoods policies etc.
Welcome to dystopia.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/29/rishi-sunak-plan-for-motorists-would-limit-travel-choices-campaigners-say
Peter Brown
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So schemes such as the West of England Combined Authority for the A4 corridor between Bristol and Bath will now become even more of a stupid culture war. I note in the article that Saltford residents object to bus lanes on the Keynsham Bypass. Saltford is a village cut in half by the busy A4 with constant traffic polluting their air. Yet they cannot see that improved bus service on a very busy corridor reduces the need for people to drive through their village.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/major-changes-planned-bristol-bath-8789065
Peter Brown
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Oh Dear! Why am I not surprised at the TfGM “hidden” car park? Who in their right mind would drive into Central Manchester anyway, let alone those now entrusted to run the transport system.
And should we be surprised at the Burberry Street nonsense? Central London has just become an over-crowded Tourist Theme Park, clogged with traffic eighteen hours a day in spite of congestion charging, when not major parts are closed off for demonstrations, carnivals and other pantomimes.
Terence Uden
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Re TfGM car park. Needs a more detailed look–are the spaces for a) disabled members of staff (a bigger problem to fix for the transport provider) or b) service vehicles?
MilesT
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Everyday hundreds of Transport for Greater Manchester staff must walk past the incorrect information for the City Centre services( presumably they get free travel on trains, or do they all use the free car park?) and ignore them, or perhaps it does not even occur to them that they are incorrect. It takes a real busman (Roger F) to walk out of the station an immediately notice what’s wrong.
And that’s the problem with organisations like Tfgm, do they not care or do they not realise what’s wrong and what simple things need to be done to resolve the issues.
And Roger also noted the chronic traffic congestion. Andy Burnham is going to ‘ hold the operators to account’ for unreliable buses. I’m unaware of the penalties in the new Bee Network contracts for unreliable buses, but I hope Go Ahead and Stagecoach have correctly priced them in their bids.
I understand that the economics of London operations are being seriously undermined by unreliability penalties in London, operators having made windfall profits over Covid when there was much less congestion.
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People who walk past things every day don’t pay any attention to them, so it’s hardly surprising that it takes someone who *doesn’t* walk past them every day to notice that there’s something wrong.
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@Rick T . . . your recollections of the connections between Routes 410 and 483 in Westerham are different to mine . . . GD drivers would often wait for a couple of extra minutes, as their running time was relatively easy; CM / DG drivers would rarely wait, as their running times were tighter. I agree that, when they worked, all four buses in Westerham at the same time was quite impressive!
@MotCo . . . I suspect that the county boundary between Kent and Surrey will stymie any extension of Sevenoaks buses to Oxted. IIRC the last through bus route was in around 1925, when East Surrey provided such a link . . . even they split the link quite quickly in favour of connections!!
Reigate-Westerham-Bromley and Croydon-Westerham-Tonbridge lasted over 70 years!!
greenline727
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I travelled on the Truonian coach a few weeks ago operating RA2. I suspect it’s come in to operate the new RA3 and to support the RA2 which was recently improved from hourly to every 30 minutes between Woking and Heathrow.
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Five Truronian Levantes have been transferred for Railair duties, with at least two so far being repainted into generic Railair livery without route branding. The RA3’s introduction at around the same time as the RA2 being doubled to half-hourly between Heathrow and Woking meant more vehicles were needed (some may argue with the regular appearance of local buses on the RA2, more coaches have been needed for some time!)
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The 410 was restored between Reigate and Sevenoaks for quite some time in London Country days and after the introduction of the 320 (Bromley-Westerham). They even worked “shorts” to Otford and Kemsing in the evenings at one point….hoping the Reigate Drivers, as they were by that time, knew the way in the dark!
And the Westerham connections did usually always work, the weak point being late running 410s from Bromley as traffic levels rose in the late 60s.
Terence Uden
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Ticket Office Closure proposals.
In the FAQ section of the Friends and Family Railcard website
https://www.familyandfriends-railcard.co.uk/help/faqs/validity/
Q:
Can I use my Family & Friends Railcard at any time of day?
A:
No. Railcard discounts are available throughout Britain but they are not available on tickets for morning peak period services, for journeys wholly within London & South East Network Railcard area on Mondays to Fridays. (The exceptions to this discounted fare rule are when you travel at weekends and on Public Holidays).
The times of morning off-peak services do vary by route and are normally related to the availability of Off-Peak Day tickets. It’s best to check with ticket office staff before buying your tickets.
It is the last sentence that is significant ….
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Railcard “check with ticket office staff”.
That’s another TVM problem (not always correctly enforcing restrictions, or sometimes too zealously enforcing restrictions.
Websites/Apps generally do a good job of highlighting when a railcard is not applicable.
MilesT
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I’d hope the TfGM parking is for company vehicles used by staff responding to incidents, delivering equipment and so on rather than a perk for the management.
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The Scot Rail axing of Peak Rates has now come into operation. It is a trial for 6 months. The aim is to increase rail travel It does not apply to season tickets. For some ticket types it may now be cheaper to buy an off peak ticket and some ticket type have been withdrawn for the duration of the trial
I am not sure this is the most effective use of the money and it could lead to even more over crowding at peaks
I would have thought cheaper off peak fares might have been a better option and maybe better integration of rail and bus fares to make things more attractive
A lot of car traffic could be reduced if there were good frequent buses to the rail stations. At present in most cases there are not and that at least in my view is a significant reason people will not use the train. If you are commuting the most important thing is the end to end journey time. It i no good the train being quicker if you have to wait an hour for a bus
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Commuting has decreased since Covid, such that peak trains are sometimes quieter than daytime trains.
ScotRail will have done some sums, and will reckon that the possible gains are less than the possible losses.
It is only a trial, but it deserves to succeed. Maybe it might spread to England? We wait to see.
greenline727
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It would need a big increase in passenger numbers just over come the loss in revenues from exiting passengers, It gives an example fare between Glasgow and Edinburgh going from £29.90 to £14.90. Although season tickets are excluded in most case it will probably be a lot cheaper to get a refund on the season ticket and pay daily
Whilst peak passenger numbers have dropped the drop in not dramatic and is typically between 10% and 20%. I do not see how the economics of this can work
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Ticket office closures. I had quite in interesting back and forth discussion (on another platform) about disabled travel and the postcode lottery of station staffing necessary to support e.g. wayfinding to platform for partially sighted/blind (and the postcode lottery of e.g. tactile paving).
The presence of a staffed ticket office can help with wayfinding, too, but perhaps even better if the staff isn’t behind a counter (i.e. could drive a TVM in “attended” mode to sell tickets, similar to TfL or indeed supermarket self service tills, as well as helping disabled passengers).
The attended ticket sale require could also be solved other ways:
* Making it easier to buy tickets at other locations e.g. convenience shops (needs some simplification in fares, but also sensible commercial arrangements to allow shops to trade “on account”). This would improve access to assistance in buying a ticket.
* Allowing travellers who have special needs to buy weekly/monthly season tickets (in advance) at a discount, to avoid needing to buy at the station. This could be by phone/post as well as online (with assistance from e.g. council help points to validate the persons particulars to limit abuse). Level of discount according to level of need. Even better if the tickets worked as “rovers” i.e. something a bit like the €49 “Deutschland” ticket model.
MilesT
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I wanted to mention a new bus In East Sussex that you may not know about called the Arts bus. It’s set up by a art gallery in Eastbourne and it’s run by cuckmere bus and goes from an art gallery in Eastbourne to an art gallery in Lewes in 55 min stopping at a few Scenic places & it is a public bus route. https://cuckmerebuses.org.uk/news.htm#sussexartshuttle
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Yeah the bus takes less than 55 minutes.
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