Seen around

Thursday 3rd August 2023

It’s time for another round up of items I’ve come across over the last month which haven’t merited a full blown blog.

No pride in trains in Brighton

There’s been much comment locally about GTR’s decision to run no trains at all into Brighton this Saturday when the annual Pride festivities are taking place. GTR are between the proverbial rock and a hard place on this. With the ASLEF overtime ban there would be less trains than normal (that’s been happening throughout the dispute) leading to potentially dangerous overcrowding and leaving passengers stranded overnight in Brighton which would inevitably lead to the company being heavily criticised and potentially liable for risk assessment failings. GTR estimates a “capacity shortfall” of 85,000 passengers across the whole day with 20,000 of these occurring at the busiest travel period after 21:00. I can appreciate the company’s dilemma.

But what I find hard to justify is the lack of trains on both Coastway East and West as well as only operating as far south as Three Bridges on the Brighton Main Line.

It means journeys such as Ashford to Rye, Worthing to Chichester, Hastings to Eastbourne and Haywards Heath to Gatwick Airport are all off limits. I’m surprised trains couldn’t run to at least Worthing, Haywards Heath and Eastbourne from the west, north and east.

Travelcards to end by January

TfL has announced the result of its consultation about its planned abolition of the Day Travelcard. I can’t imagine anyone wrote in supporting the proposal, but in any event the decision is to go ahead with the plan to scrap the ticket which will be implemented by 21st January 2024. This despite objections from the Rail Delivery Group which pointed out in its submission to TfL 14.2 million Day Travelcards were issued from over 600 stations outside the Travelcard zone in the 12 months to February 2023. Of these 20% were Anytime Day Travelcards and 80% were Off-peak Day Travelcards.

Can you imagine a retailer ceasing to sell a product with 14.2 million annual sales – and one which is clearly serving a growing off-peak leisure market. This must rank as the number one crass decision in the transport world for 2023, and even of all time.

Ticket Offices consultation extended

Vying for that crass decision of the year top spot is, of course, the DfT and RDG’s “let’s close almost all ticket offices at National Rail stations” proposal for which Transport Focus and London Travelwatch have been inundated with responses leading to the consultation period being extended until 1st September with more than 170,000 submissions received. Imagine if your job is to read through and summarise that lot.

It’s interesting to see the RDG telling TfL in its response to the Travelcard consultation “withdrawing Day Travelcards could cause some potential users to question whether the alternatives represent value for money, in some cases they may simply not travel, leading to a reduction in revenue for both the Train Companies and TfL. In addition to the direct impact on these bodies, consideration should be given to the wider impact on the London economy. If passengers are deterred from coming to London, they will not patronise London shops or restaurants; they will not visit London theatres or cinemas.”

I’m thinking TfL could use the same very valid points back to the RDG regarding the Ticket Offices closure proposals.

Great work Karl

Now for some good news, a shout out to Karl Nutting who often emails me with news and updates and recently sent me a link to a great website he’s developed over the last couple of months with the help of his dad as an “unofficial one stop online bus timetable resource for viewing and downloading all bus timetables for the West Midlands”.

Karl’s doing a great job providing a nice clear listing of routes with easy access to pdf timetables as well as links to service changes and disruptions and to official websites for local operators. I’m always keen to encourage enthusiastic young people with an interest in the bus and rail industry to use their skills and talents, so well done Karl on the work you’ve done on this. A brilliant effort.

DalesBus delight

And some more good news from the hard working dedicated team behind DalesBus who have kept up their annual tradition of printing and distributing high quality promotional leaflets and timetables extolling the virtues of the fantastic network of buses they make available giving their time on a voluntary basis. I hope this summer, despite the weather so far, is another successful season for them. My thanks to Paul Kirby for sending through details.

GWR’s delay repay delay

Now, not so good news. I keep having problems with GWR’s delay repay people. It’s the worst rail company for customer service – certainly in my experience. My beef this month is with GWR’s delay in settling three outstanding delay repay claims for my trips to Didcot Parkway to ride the autonomous bus and to Exeter to visit the new Marsh Barton station some weeks ago. All three claims (Didcot was delayed both out and back) were deemed unsuccessful and I was instructed to provide additional information to customer relations so the claims could be reassessed.

But when I contacted customer relations they didn’t know what additional information the delay repay team wanted – passengers are not allowed to talk directly to GWR’s delay repay people. Two phone calls and an unanswered email for two weeks later, I was told I needed to provide details of my outward journeys in all three cases.

It turns out they can’t believe I travelled down to Exeter and was only there for less than an hour (to visit Marsh Barton) before returning. I’ve advised them to read this blog where they can see what I get up to and also see I’m referencing their incompetence at dealing with this matter, and will continue to do so until it’s resolved.

The latest twist was an email from Aqeel on Monday advising me I had to appeal the decisions despite there being no facility on the appeal to provide the additional information required – ie the outward journey. And when I tried to appeal the Didcot delays the software told me I was out of time. So I rang yet again and Finlay promised to escalate the matter – when I asked what that meant he said it meant I should hear back in 28 days. If that’s escalation I’d hate to think what normal service is.

I often wonder if long serving GWR managing director Mark Hopwood is aware of the incompetence he presides over.

I’ll provide a further update next month.

Southern Fail

Meanwhile I’m still waiting to receive a refund from Southern for the extra £14.80 I was forced to pay on 4th July when I couldn’t buy a ticket from Hassocks to the newly opened Marsh Barton and had to pay extra by splitting my ticket in London and Exeter. I emailed all the tickets to Southern and was promised a National Travel Voucher on 17th July but still nothing has arrived.

Southern’s Customer Relations Advisor Iain wrote: “I’m sorry to hear you weren’t able to purchase the ticket you wanted at the station or ticket machine. I have looked into your request and as the additional tickets have been used it is not possible for me to offer you a refund for these tickets, however i would like to offer you £14.80 in the form of non-cashable rail travel vouchers.

Well, of course the tickets had been used as I bought them for that purpose I just wanted refunding of the extra costs of having to split my tickets in London. Hopefully the vouchers will arrive in the next 28 days. I’ll let you know next month.

What other retailer would overcharge you and then reimburse you with a non-cashable voucher? The rail industry just doesn’t get customer service at all.

Late update: Just as I was finishing off this blog for publication came an email from Customer Relations Advisor Andrew advising “I’m happy to confirm that we’ve used the address you’ve given us to get your £14.80 worth of vouchers sent out to you, these will be sent through our selected mail courier and you should expect to receive them in 5-7 working days.” And now he’s noticed I live in the Southern Rail area has explained the voucher can be cashed or added to a debit card but “the station where you wish to complete your transaction must be staffed”. Hurrah, case closed (assuming the voucher arrives).

Reading West upgrade latest

I was in Reading on Saturday and passed by the work to construct a new entrance building on Oxford Road to Reading West station. It’s a rather large structure for what has been until now an ungated minor station. The new building includes ticket gates and a retail unit but I assume not a ticket office – as if it does, it will be closed before it opens under current DfT/RDG thinking.

Reading Borough Council reckons the new building will “drastically change the nature of the area in terms of safety and security”. We’re also promised “a high quality bus interchange facility and improved cycle parking”. The scheme is being funded through £3.1 million of Local Growth Fund secured from the Thames Valley Berkshire LEP as well as £200,000 Section 106 contributions.

Southampton’s toilet convenience

It’s not that I’ve got an obsession with public conveniences and toilets on trains and in stations (see previous Seen Around blogs) but they are an important part of travel and I notice a huge difference in facilties as I travel all over the country.

These refurbished gender neutral facilities on Platform 4 at Southampton Central really impressed me.

Each self contained cubicle with toilet and washing/drying facilities is signposted on a helpful wall mounted diagram and have red and green lights above the door indicating availability.

I just hope they’re not subjected to vandalism or anti-social actions.

Meanwhile over in Bristol bus and coach station I was relieved that First Bus has now done away with expecting passengers to have a 20p coin to use the toilets, but I wonder if plans are in hand to remove the unsightly barriers/turnstile and the awful hazard tape.

Reservations about GWR’s seat reservations

I’ve made a few journeys with GWR this month and each time there’s been a problem with seat reservations not downloading. On one occasion the Train Manager was on to it straight away as passengers boarded at each station advising everyone to sit in any vacant seat, but on the other occasions nothing was said with the inevitable arguments from passengers about “your sitting in my seat”. It’s highly off putting when this happens and I wish all Train Managers would be like the first example. Better still, seat reservation indicators should always work.

Windows are for looking out of

Thankfully most bus and train companies have outlawed the use of ‘contravision’ from windows. It’s an awful practice and only reaffirms those that design and approve liveries which incorporate covering over windows never travel by bus.

Try sitting in this seat for an hour and a half from Brighton to Heathfield with this off-putting view to the sides.

Clock this

Clocks in bus and railway stations should always be accurate to the minute. This one in Preston bus station couldn’t even agree with itself what the correct time was.

Shutters come down in Bristol

I was sorry to see First Bus has closed it’s Travel Hub in Bristol bus and coach station.

But on the positive side at least it’s been replaced with a manned window for enquiries. However, it was so much nicer to have face to face contact without a glass screen barrier, and in the ‘good old days’ pre Covid, enjoy browsing and helping yourself to the display of printed paper timetables and a network map for encouragement to travel around the bus network.

Sparks fly in Bristol

I couldn’t believe my eyes when I popped into a shop called Sparks in central Bristol and saw the front end of a First Bus single deck bus.

Sparks is a former department store which has been converted into an Arts and Sustainability Hub with independent outlets offering retail and advice across a whole range of issues from fashion and energy to travel and food and drink.

It’s a fascinating venue to wander around. The transport section included the bus as well as information about the sustainability of buses, trains and active travel.

A great initiative.

Worcestershire Parkway success

In the week that sees both Thanet Parkway and Portway Park & Ride stations open it was interesting to see how well Worcestershire Parkway is doing from the number of cars in the car park when I visited a couple of weeks ago.

It seems such a shame the ticket office in the extensive station building looks already unloved and forgotten.

Let’s hope the extended period of consultation over the DfT’s and RDG’s ridiculous plans to close almost all ticket offices sees a more rational outcome that assesses each office individually rather than the sledgehammer approach of the original proposal.

Chepstow’s Community Initiative

And on ticket offices, it was interesting to see the facility at Chepstow station is run by the local community and although closed at the time of my visit is perhaps a model for others to follow.

Stansted stands out

Meanwhile at Stansted airport I was very impressed to see that alongside the bank of six or so TVMs was a four window ticket office (with two manned) and noticeably a distinct preference by passengers to use the facility. I know Gatwick is a much busier airport but it was a huge contrast to what you regularly find there (see below) – even though contactless and Oyster cards are valid to touch in and touch out for London bound journeys.

And before leaving the subject of ticket offices I was intending to give the Airport Bus Express from Stansted Airport to Stratford a try out, particularly seeing a coach pull in ready for departure as I arrived. It’s owned by the Italian company Autostradale Group (founded in Milan in 1924).

I popped into the shared booking office with National Express …

… and while the latter had someone behind the counter, Airport Bus Express only had a QR code which I couldn’t be bothered with as it led to its booking website which looked too complex for me and my smartphone in the short time before departure.

So I caught the train – which, with my Railcard, turned out to be cheaper anyway, (£14.45 instead of £15).

New departure screens for STP at last

After many weeks of waiting the new departure screens at St Pancras International station have at last been fitted and turned on. As with the previous signs, they’re split according to which of the four areas (International, Thameslink, Southeastern and EMR) of the station trains depart from but the colouring and clarity are a great improvement and for me are much better and easier to read than the new signs at Euston. There’s also a sign showing which way to walk to catch the train and how long the walking time is.

Shelter spot

This month’s bus shelter spot is the rather ornate ironwork which graced this shelter in Black Bull Lane Preston.

Sorry the photos aren’t very good, it took me by surprise but Google gives a beter image of the whole thing.

Meanwhile it’s nice to see some decent seats being incorporated into modern day bus shelters in a number of places these days, but it does make it awkward if you want to consult the timetable information in the cases behind where people are sitting, as here in Boscombe.

Over in Barnes, south west London, helpful information is now available advising passengers about rail replacement buses from the station….

… with much more on the bus shelter outside. Good to see SWR maintaining its high standards of presentation.

With thanks to blog reader Peter Knipe for the photos

Colourful assistance buggies

It makes a change to see these colourful mobility buggies at Euston.

Much better than the boring Network Rail liveried ones.

How do they do that?

And finally for this month a non transport poser. I passed by the old Gillette factory on the Great West Road heading towards Osterley recently and noticed this suspended scaffolding around the top of the clock tower.

How on earth do they put that up …. and take it down?

More miscellany next month.

Roger French

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  2. Karl Nuttings knowledge of the West Midlands Bus Network is outstanding & having met him on previous occasions he should be congratulated on such a magnificent effect.

    In response to French Open question I have taken part in Travelcard card consultation & fully support the decision to end an archaic ticket scheme which middle class passengers such as French partake happily in using something subsided by London Taxpayers who rarely use it themselves. Quite simply if Travelcards were to continue they should be fully funded by H M Government & not from TfL . There are plenty of other alternatives such as an PAYG Oystercard which I use.

    In addition there is no argument in keeping ticket offices open when staff can be redeployed more fully elsewhere. The sooner the ticket offices close the better to the benefit of all rail users not just those who can’t be bothered to use the alternative facilities.

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    1. I think Greater Anglia have it right. They are keeping booking Offices/Enquiry Offices open at the major stations ie Liverpool St, Chelmsford, Colchester, Cambridge. Ipswich and Norwich. The rest hardly sell any tickets at the ticket Offices certainly not enough to justify keeping them open. TfL closed all their ticket office and that has worked fine with no real issues/ Probably people raised similar objections when porters and most station masters went

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      1. Yes Bob fair points here Moor St & New St need booking offices perhaps the rest of the network would benefit from a more flexibility.

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        1. I’d understood that Liv St was on the “To close” list – to my dismay, as I go there to make my long-distance bookings. The staff there are excellent and nothing seems to faze them – not even on the occasion when I booked a decidedly irregular journey using three singles, involving using one of Pilning’s two trains a week (Paddington-Swansea, Swansea-Pilning and Severn Beach-Paddington). The young lady booking clerk never raised an eyebrow, apart from observing re Pilning “I have not heard of that station before”.

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    2. Writing as a middle-class Surrey resident, I fail to see how I am being subsidised by London taxpayers by buying a Travelcard. From my local station, Farnborough (Main), an off-peak return to London with Travelcard is £33.80. Most off-peak trains call at Surbiton at the zone 6 boundary, to which the off-peak return from Farnborough is £18.00, and from which a Travelcard costs £15.20 and the PAYG zones 1-6 fare cap is £14.90. By breaking the journey, the total is either £33.20 or £32.90.
      It therefore appears that in this instance the Travelcard add-on may actually be overpriced.

      The Travelcard scheme has now been in place for around 40 years, and only recently have TfL raised the issue of it being unaffordable. If that is the case, surely the answer is to adjust the prices rather than simply abandon it – although that may be difficult as, in my case at least, it already seems to be overpriced.

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      1. Services in Greater London are regulated and financed by Transport for London. If as part of your National Rail Travelcard you use Services provided by TfL & you
        and other middle class rail users are having part of your journey financed by TfL. By removing validity of Travelcard on TfL Services ; which I fully support; yourself and others will need to use either Oyster or Contactless to continue your onward journey which will be capped. Sadly in todays financially constrained times I find it most sad that affluent middle class rail users from outside the TfL & TfWM operating area seem to think that schemes such as Travelcard in London & Centrocard in Birmingham are a given right when they are not actual residents.

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        1. I must commend you for taking an independent line on the withdrawal of 1-day Travelcards, especially when so many people on this blog ( and elsewhere) are so firmly against it. It takes courage to stand out from the crowd !
          I have just looked through the supporting documents to the Mayor’s decision, which include around 100 pages of consultation responses. Apparently 4% of responses supported the proposal, which presumably includes yourself. Apart from one, all the published responses are firmly against it. These are from an eclectic bunch, including Secretary of State for Transport Mark Harper, Mick Lynch of the RMT, Green and Lib Dem members of the London Assembly, various MP’s, several County and Unitary authorities, Railfuture, Bus Users UK, the Rail Delivery Group and trainline.
          The exception is a ‘London Calling’ report commissioned by the Child Poverty Action Group of a panel of low-income BAME families from around London concerning a range of transport issues. Members of the panel didn’t think they would be affected by its withdrawal – which is to be expected as the affected groups are generally those from outside the capital. This does rather support your characterisation of the beneficiaries of Travelcards being ‘affluent, middle class’.
          However, the other responses draw attention to a range of groups who will be disadvantaged, including 16-25 year olds, students, the disabled, senior citizens and families, not all of whom will fall into this affluent, middle class category. In the case of family groups, some will face a significant increase in costs as the railcard can only be linked to a single Oyster Card, so other members of the group will not qualify for the discount. Such families may be deterred from travelling altogether. This applies even more so for school parties from outside London, where a group of, say, 35 can currently buy a 1-day Group Travelcard for £175, which rises to £260.75 if they are all have Oyster Cards (which they won’t) or £505.75 if none of them do (which they wouldn’t on a first visit).
          Moving away from the consultation, nowhere in the documentation have I been able to find any details of how the anticipated £40 million saving to TfL is calculated. This depends very much on the assumptions made about the usage of the 14 million Travelcards p.a. issued outside London. Many will only be used within zones 1 and 2, and TfL may even make a profit on these. TfL’s concern is people who make use of the full 6-zone facility where TfL currently lose out significantly. Without knowing the relative proportions, it’s impossible to say whether the £40 million is a realistic estimate. My concern is that in practice, very few people from outside London currently use their Travelcards outside zones 1-2, so the current cost of the scheme is overestimated, and the number of trips deterred by their withdrawal will be such that TfL’s overall revenue will decrease.
          To be honest, before looking at these documents, I didn’t really have strong views on the withdrawal of Travelcards, as I’ve only used them within zone 1 and will only be marginally affected. However, taking account of the above I am now strongly against the proposal and stand firmly with the ‘eclectic bunch’ mentioned above.
          This is clearly quite a complex issue, and I’m disappointed you choose to present it in terms of class warfare against ‘affluent middle class rail users from outside the TfL & TfWM operating area’. Having lived in Staffordshire for 34 years until moving to Surrey in 2021, and been a fairly regular rail user for much of that time, I plead guilty on all counts !

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          1. This isn’t an issue of class warfare it is simply an observation of facts. Those who are much more affluent in society tend by demographics to live outside the metropolitan areas therefore they use the rail network to obtain access to the Cities. I come from an working class inner city background in Brum & have been very lucky in both educational & business. I would be classes as Upper Middle Class now however I know the majority in society within the inner Cities are not so lucky. Ticketing & Subsidy schemes should not be in place for those who can afford to pay the true costs of journey at the expense of cuts in services at TfL & TfWM. This simply a conscious and ethical issue & there is no argument for the Travelcard in todays financially constrained times. Poltically I should be a firm believer in Labour Party Polices if you believe I have an issue with class warfare. The reality is so different in reality I am a firm supporter of the Conservative Mayor of West Midlands Combined Authority Andy Street CBE whose vision is transforming public transport in Brum to the benefit of those who pay a Levy towards the WMCA. Shire residents do not what has been blatantly obvious is the statements made by Labour Party saying two thirds of bus services have been axed in the West Midlands when the reality is 91% of pre covid mileage is undertaken in the TfWM area. I personally do not see how morally the Travelcard should continue but as Nigel McBride quite rightly states its a complex issue

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            1. Thanks for your reply, Richard. I think we can declare that discussion closed !
              Re the Labour Party’s claim that two-thirds of bus services in the West Midlands have been axed since 2011, I’m sure the statement is correct, on the basis that the number of local services registered to companies whose registered office is in the West Midlands has reduced by that amount over that time.
              However, the statement is so self-evidently ludicrous to anyone with even the remotest knowledge of West Midlands bus services, that something is clearly ‘wrong’ with the statistic. Equally well, before issuing the statement, the Labour Party should have checked with a local MP that it matched their understanding of the situation on the ground, which it certainly shouldn’t have.
              It seems that a large part of the apparent reduction can be explained by the company ‘NATIONAL EXPRESS LTD’, licence no PD0000738, whose address is BIRMINGHAM COACH STATION, NATIONAL EXPRESS HOUSE, MILL LANE, DIGBETH, BIRMINGHAM, B5 6DD.
              Many of their eponymous coach services used to be registered as local services, but they have all been de-registered over the past decade and now run as express services.
              This accounts for a reduction of some 180 ‘registered local services’ since 2011.
              Other cancelled registrations are likely to be to do with ceased operators running duplicate competing services, and school services re-classified as ‘closed’.
              According to bustimes.org, NXWM have around 75 current registrations and Diamond Bus WM around 55, so 130 in total. I would imagine these two operators are responsible for the vast majority of local services currently running in the WM.
              Taking all the above into account, it would be quite easy to justifiably claim a reduction of two-thirds in the number of registrations – but few, if any, of these would have been associated with any reduction in the number of actual local bus services running in the West Midlands.

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  3. Thank you for another interesting blog.

    Re your GWR conductor and the non-downloading seat reservations, well done to him for taking the initiative and being consistent throughout the journey. I was once on a service from Chester to Euston when we were greeted on boarding with news that the reservations were not working, so please sit anywhere, etc. Then, a few minutes out of Chester, he came back saying they had now downloaded, so please try to comply with them. As the train was quite full and many passengers had luggage, you can imagine their reactions! I left the service at Crewe so did not witness the confusion with those boarding there!

    Concerning the bus-link from Stansted – why an Italian company? Do we not have coach companies in this country?

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  4. Will they put card readers at the London Boundary stations? Buy a ticket to the Boundary station and just tap into TfL on the platform. Would work for me as I usually change at East Croydon for London Bridge/Thameslink. All very stupid.

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  5. Hi Roger, just discovered your blog and signed up – what a great read! On the subject of curious “things seen”, on the last few occasions I’ve used South Ruislip tube station (also shared with Chiltern), the screen by the gateline has been displaying the next departures from…….Bristol Temple Meads, over 100 miles away! I’ve notified TfL, but it was still doing it when I went through a couple of weeks ago. It would be more useful if it displayed the next Chiltern departures, as there’s no information or timetable at all for these at entrance level.

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  6. While a large “booking hall”, such as at Euston or Grand Central, was probably never on the cards, I think the designers of St. Pancras missed a trick. There are effectively four totally separate stations at St. Pancras (Eurostar, SE Express, Midland, and Thameslink), they could have given each of them unique design and signing elements. With posters (like for Heathrow tube) telling you which “station” you require the whole St. Pancras experience could have been enhanced- around its train services. Instead they built a shopping mall and squeezed the passenger facilities into any available corner.

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  7. If you get a refund by way of Rail Travel Vouchers which can only be redeemed at staffed ticket offices, how will this work when most of the ticket offices are closed down?

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    1. On the vends within the Transport for West Midlands area there is a sub menu to use a voucher code in a similar manner to the McDonald’s vends it works in the same way as the code for collecting pre booked tickets.

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    2. The Refund system needs to be simplified and standardized. If you paid for a ticket by card why cannot thy simply refund to the card used if you want vouchers why cannot they send evoucher that can be used to part purchase a rail ticket from a ticket machine

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  8. Re: the  ‘How do they do that’ article, in your latest ‘Bus and Train User’. Maybe the people doing the construction, have got a secret ‘Fred Dibnah!!!!’

    Rgds,

    Ben.

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  9. Hurrah for Dales Bus, consistently excellent printed information. I will also put in a word for HarBus, the Hambleton and Richmondshire Bus Users Group, who produce excellent area based bus timetables for Northallerton, Thirsk, Stokesley and Richmond – particularly useful as NYCC don’t bother and the network is now so fragmented between Dales and District, Hodgsons, Reliance, Coatham, NYCC etc.

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  10. I visited Weymouth yesterday, on a steam railway day trip. This was excellent.  I was surprised though that at Weymouth station there was a prominent and permanent notice saying that there were no toilet facilities at the station. Weymouth is a busy holiday resort, with many families and older people. There were dozens of us on our train, yet no toilet facilities at all. This is ridiculous. Also very little seating ava.

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    1. There are no public toilet facilities in most Transport for West Midlands international transport interchanges . In Dudley signage directs passengers to the local authorities toilets in the Market Place.

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      1. There used to be toilets in Dudley.. All be it they were council ones..

        When tbe new interchange operate there should be toilets in it.

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        1. Hi Karl, always good to hear from you & as always you are quite right hopefully the new Dudley Transport Interchange will have on site facilities. Your new website is absolutely first class & a piece of excellence for bus users in the West Midlands which we are all proud off. I will bring it to the attention of Andy Street CBE
          Richard

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  11. Hi Roger,
    Chuckled as son as i saw the clock picture, knew it had to be Britain’s best Bauhaus -Preston. During my time there as ATS for the Corporation ( 2/70 to 6/7), we rarely if ever manged to get the 4 clocks on the concourse, 2 our side and 2 Ribble side, to either show the right time or even agree. That also included getting both sides of the same clock to agree!
    Quite a spectacular achievement still causing chaos 51 years later, but still a wonderful place as part of my career, in the very new (October 1969) largest UK bus station of 80 Bays.
    Terry Bowker

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  12. Speaking of the Yorkshire National Parks the Moorsbus service of the North Yorkshire Moors also has a Moorsbus leaflet out which I picked up in the shelter at Castleton Moor rail station a few weeks ago.The N Yorks Moors services are much more restricted than the Dales ones sadly.As to the third Yorkshire National Park, the Peak District,which is shared with various other countries mainly in the midlands.I don’t know if they do anything as it’s too far away from me to go there often.

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    1. “The N Yorks Moors services are much more restricted than the Dales ones sadly”
      Unfortunately Moorsbus isn’t financially supported anywhere near as well as Dalesbus is, possibly because Moorsbus doesn’t have a friendly PTE abutting onto their area but is instead wholly within North Yorkshire, a council which is utterly disinterested in public transport.

      Moorsbus welcome donations as it really is a case of “every little helps” – from reading their website they’re desperately hoping that they can get more funding for next year so they can run on more weekends; this year they’re running on fewer dates than they ever have before (Covid lockdowns excepted, of course!)

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  13. The problem in running trains on the coast services this Saturday, when not to London, would that they too would become grossly over-loaded with those seeking alternative routes and make a bad situation even worse. Lack of trains from all directions might make some interesting load figures on NatEx 025 and the long distance bus routes into Brighton!

    I assume the Travelcard is a victim of it’s own success, particularly for sales from stations beyond the Greater London boundary. Whilst one can hardly blame TfL for seeking a more fair proportion of the revenue split, surely the answer lies in increasing the price rather than abolition?

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  14. It looks like Southern’s Customer Relations people are getting quite a bit of work passing to them from their Delay Repay colleagues at the moment. I made two Delay Repay claims for the day an attempted ram raid at Barnham compounded the already-reduced overtime ban timetable. My original claims were declined because “the train you have claimed for is not in the scheduled timetable”, even though the trains were all shown in the drop-down boxes! The Customer Relations staff have resolved one claim in my favour and I’m waiting to hear about the other which was submitted at the same time.

    We are both keeping them busy!

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  15. Imagine boarding a plane (or even the EuroStar train) clutching a ticket with an allocated seat reservation and then just ignoring that & randomly sitting somewhere else…

    Good to see that Worcestershire Parkway is being well used. It was sorely needed. Sadly it did not exist when my regular commutes from Droitwich were to Cardiff or up through Birmingham to Leeds a few years back. It still hadn’t opened when we upped sticks to North Yorkshire late 2018.

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  16. Regarding the scaffolding–look at videos of Fred Dibnah’s work on YouTube online and you will see exactly how that is all done without cranes (laddering upwards as you go, and then locking a scaffolding cage round the outside) at the top. In one show Fred even was demolishing a chimney brick by brick from the top and moving the platform down as he went.

    Surprisingly you actually hammer hardwood pegs into the brickwork and then hammer ironwork into the wood. The wooden pegs can be left in at the end for future ascents (Fred explained in one show where he reused previous pegs from some years earlier).

    An exercise in using experience to mitigate risks to allow what feels impossible to happen with some amount of safety.

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  17. @roger: “manned”. “Staffed” is now a better word to use. Takes a bit of practice to always use it, but you will get there.

    Community ticketing. I am probably in a minority here, but closure of ticket offices at stations could be an opportunity to **improve** accessibility of ticketing for **all**, including stations that have not had a staffed office for years or ever, and not just maintain the current “postcode lottery” of access to staffed ticket sales.

    What needs to happen is Rail Delivery group needs to be told,, as part of office closure, to implement systems to allow tickets to be sold in post offices and corner shops–better specialist websites and an ability for such businesses to be able to buy tickets “on account” so they can take cash or put a card through their tills as normal, and settle up with the railway weekly by bank transfer. One off and season tickets.
    (Expansion of telephone sales also, with an ability to pick up at post office or similar via such systems–show the conf code and get a QR/itinerary printed). No specialist printing or smartcard management required (unlike the “corporate sales” systems of today which often come with a special printer for printing out the “Orange” paper tickets with magstripes)

    Yes, the over complex nature of ticketing means there will be some missold tickets, but that can be handled by having an phone line where mis-sold tickets can be validated by experts and refunded after the fact if there was a missold ticket.

    I said as much to the consultation already.

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  18. I’m so glad you’ve exposed the horrors of the GWR delay repay system. As a regular user of their services, I’m automatically a user of delay repay, as GWR seem incapable of running trains on time, or sometimes running trains at all! Firstly, the application is unnecessarily complicated, especially compared with other operators. Sadly I suspect this is deliberate. Secondly, a very high proportion of valid applicants are refused first time round with no obvious justification. This really does seem to be a policy as the moment you launch an appeal the payment is granted. This makes me so angry! As for seat allocations, I often catch the direct train from Padd to Hereford which should be a 9 car IET. However as often as not only a 5 car unit turns up, meaning the booked seating allocations are not honoured, and the train is full to the rafters – at least to Oxford, after which it’s half full, because of course there aren’t enough timetabled trains to Oxford any more. Lastly, the GWR website seems to work in a parallel universe if you try to book tickets with it. I regularly find completely different prices for the same journeyweek by week, and there’s one particular train where I’ve learnt by chance that the cheapest return fare on offer is to book singles in each direction with the return journey being first class(!!!). Naturally the website doesn’t offer that as the cheapest option. GWR really are a hopeless operation

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    1. I had a terrible problem reclaiming from GWR due to a cancellation in 2019. I’d booked a return from Chippenham to Bristol Temple Meads with PlusBus to see a television show for which I had tickets. My train was cancelled thus writing off the day. I applied for a full refund online. By case remainder pending for weeks. When I eventually phoned they said I had to complete a paper form! Then they only refunded the PlusBus bit. Every time I emailed I got a new case reference number despite quoting the original. They also kept badgering me for feedback on how they were doing. They kept saying they were waiting to hear back from their third party payment processor. This went on for months. In the end I phoned my credit card company who made an instant refund. Then much later I had a letter from GWR saying how pleased they were that my case was resolved, and enclosed a rail warrant. The pandemic lock downs rendered that unusable. Haven’t been on a train since. Recent trips to Bath have been by bus, as I’d rather my money went to the local family owned independent than First Group.

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