Gloucestershire DRT riding with Robin (Part 2)

Sunday 23rd July 2023

DRT aficionado blog readers will recall my ride on Gloucestershire’s Robin branded scheme soon after it was introduced last October – the one when I was only the third passenger after two weeks of operation and took a trip from the village of Windrush to the Cotswolds’ tourist favourite of Bourton-on-the-Water, operated by local firm, Pulham Coaches, now part of the Go-Ahead Group.

I explained at the time the North Cotswolds scheme was one of two being funded by Gloucestershire’s £1.35 million funding from the DfT’s Rural Mobility Fund with the other covering South Forest of Dean.

Operated by community transport operator Lydney Dial-a-Ride the two vehicle operation is said to be one of the few DRT success stories with councillors reportedly well pleased with results so far so I’d been keen to give it a try out and finally managed to get over to Lydney on Thursday before last to see how it’s going.

The area covered is quite large for what is effectively one operational bus for most of the day. It stretches from just north of Chepstow along the west side of the River Severn through Lydney and Cinderford to Huntley and over as far as Coleford. I couldn’t find a map on Gloucestershire’s website – this one was online when the scheme launched….

… but now there’s just a list of places served within the area covered.

If you click on one of the above places a sub directory of stops comes up.

The map on the app shows more bus stops as you zoom in.

Here’s my rough guide to the area covered – why a decent map like this can’t be provided online is a bit baffling – it would be very helpful.

Two Mercedes Sprinters are allocated to the service, one operates an early turn (07:00 to 15:00) and the other a middle turn (11:00 to 19:00) so, after taking account of meal breaks for the two drivers, around nine of the twelve operating hours sees just one bus on the road.

That, and the scattered location of passengers and likely destinations means most journeys have only one passenger on board together with quite a lot of dead running in between jobs and very little scope for amalgamating trips.

So when councillors and others call it successful it depends what your definition of success is. If it’s having a bus on the go all the time, then, definitely, South Forest of Dean Robin must be up there in the DRT Top 10 success stories but if just one passenger is on board and maybe the occasional two it’s hardly justifying its existence bearing in mind no passengers are carried on the dead running.

You can book Robin via a phone line or online on Gloucestershire County Council’s website as well as the app.

The software algorithm is provided by Padam Mobility and once I’d remembered to switch over from the separate North Cotswolds section of the app to the South Forest of Dean bit I was easily able to book my desired journey from Lydney towards Chepstow departing at 13:00 ten days in advance – because that’s how you do DRT. None of this turn up and go nonsense bus passengers have become accustomed to – that’s so old fashioned. These Demand Responsive If You Book Up To Two Weeks In Advance Transport (DRIYBUTTWIAT) schemes really are the future.

Robin doesn’t like taking passengers from Lydney to the obvious destination of Chepstow as that’s the preserve of Newport Bus six times a day route 72 so I could only book a ride as far as Tutshill on the English side of the River Wye from where I took the 20 minute walk across the River into Chepstow to complete my journey.

I’m not sure why this restriction applies as route 72 also goes via Tutshill on its way into Chepstow and there was a journey from Lydney bus station at 13:38, not long after my booked journey with Robin at 13:00. Maybe it’s because Chepstow is over the border in Wales?

Anyway I’m not complaining as it was lovely to have my own personal DRT driven by Mark, one of the three regular drivers on the service, and I enjoyed the walk too.

Crossing the River Wye

Not long before the pick up time my smartphone buzzed with a notification which oddly told me “Your Gloucestershire County Council is arriving and will wait for you until 13:01 before departing”.

My train was due to arrive into Lydney rail station at 12:55 so as it was another case of “your DRT will only wait for a minute”m I once again used the facility to message the driver on the app to let Mark know I was arriving on that train and this time it worked as he confirmed he’d received it.

I’d tried to work out which way I’d need to walk from the station to the designated pick up point shown on the app …

… but I needn’t have worried because as the train pulled in on time I spotted Mark waiting at the bus stop in the car park just a very short walk from the platform exit.

As usual we had a lovely chat on the journey down to Tutshill which took about 15 minutes. It would seem many passengers use the book by phone arrangement for Robin (Mark explained many are senior in age and not into technology) but he observed it wasn’t always helpful that the call centre is in Leicester and those answering unsurprisingly lack local knowledge about quirky place names.

There was a notice on the door of the Mercedes Sprinter bus explaining what Robin was all about, which seemed an odd place to put it.

Mark showed me his bookings for the following day comprising 13 separate rides across the whole area for his duty between 11:00 and 19:00 but his observation was telling that on a good day he’ll take about £30 in cash from fares (ticket machines aren’t card enabled yet) but spends double that on filling the bus up with diesel every day. Obviously concessionary travel reimbursement is also on top of that revenue but an average of between one and two passengers an hour is going to present some challenging decisions for Gloucestershire’s councillors when the two year Rural Mobility Fund grant has been used up in October 2024.

And that was another DRT journey done. Another one next Sunday.

Roger French

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10 thoughts on “Gloucestershire DRT riding with Robin (Part 2)

  1. Perhaps all of those swords and daggers in the middle of the River Wye give a clue as to why Robin won’t take you beyond Tutshill. Chepstow is in a “foreign land”.

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  2. Why is DRT seen as a solution when it is clearly not, So in an 8 hour shift it takes £30, Maybe some concessionary pass holder revenues on top

    The economics are hopeless

    a) Vehicle Cost. Lets say £50K and it is written down over the usual 10 years that £5000 a year
    b) One of cost for app and annual licence cost
    c) Staff Costs
    d) Fuel
    e) Maintenance, depot and regulatory costs
    f) Call Centre Costs, Most bookings seen to be by phone. Lets say it takes 3 minutes t a cost of say £0.50 a minute. That’s £1.50

    Would a council entertain a normal bus service that on average gets less than 2 passengers an Hour? I doubt it. DRT costs as well are higher than for normal bus services

    Money could be saved on the app if the councils had a bulk licensing agreement instead each DRT seed to do its own thing and pays a small fortune for the app

    DRT is not the solution so what is ? Most people want a turn up and go service and not something you have to book in advance nor do most want complex and confusing apps many of which do not even work well

    Whilst the DfT is throwing money at DRT no doubt new schemes will start up whilst existing schemes fail almost as fast

    DRT can burn through £1.5M pretty fast

    The Suffolk Katch service now has an App. Yet another different one something called 365Flexiroute
    The first version of Katch failed. The second version is pretty much he same as the first except funded by the district council for 12 months. I doubt is will last 12 months as it will be burning through the budget very fast

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  3. It would be better off to place a contract with a local taxi operator, and reimburse them the difference between bus fare and taxi tariff for the journeys.

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  4. With those passenger numbers if that a successful DRT I’d hate to see an unsuccessful one!Chepstow is just over the bridge from Tuthill but if you are English or Welsh an international crossing or if you are British then nothing of any significance!

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  5. Groan!

    But by the standards of some previous schemes reviewed, this one sounds remarkably successful. A whopping thirteen passengers per shift! Small wonder the Councillors are congratulating themselves on this “remarkable success” DRT story. Clearly Economics was not their strongest subject in school.

    There is a possibility with all these schemes that passenger numbers will increase with time, but as Peter Brown and Yours truly keep pointing out, a subsidised taxi scheme would be a far cheaper option.

    And yet again as shown, the potential to poach passengers from proper bus services, however much we are assured it isn’t possible.

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  6. Meanwhile in Oxfordshire First and Last Mile community bus( featured in May 2022) continues to run conventional bus services, attract up to 80 passengers per day in school terms and next week is voluntarily reducing its fares to match the £2 fare cap. Certainly it has not been easy but has been achieved at a fraction of the cost of DRT. We have found that passengers in rural areas prefer to know when the bus is running rather than having to book.

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  7. By coincidence I rode a service funded by Gloucestershire County Council and operated by Lydney Dial-a-Ride on Friday.

    The 707 runs on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays, leaving Coleford at around 1015 for Chepstow via Clearwell and St. Briavels and returning at around 1315. I say ‘around’ as the timetable varies slightly depending which day it is. The journey is just under an hour, giving about two hours in Chepstow.
    The vehicle for the 1320 on Friday was a ‘social services’ type minibus with a step entrance and a wheelchair lift at the rear. Although less than a mile of the journey was in Wales, my Welsh concessionary pass was accepted and scanned on the handheld Ticker machine. There were three other passengers, all doubtless on ENCTS passes. They all knew each other and the driver. One got off at St Briavels and the other two in Clearwell so it was just me and the driver for the remainder of the journey to Coleford.

    I learned that the duty involved taking disabled children to school, followed by some traditional door-to-door Dial-a-Ride work for the elderly and disabled, the scheduled run from Coleford to Chepstow and back and finally taking the children home.

    After reading the article, it strikes me that if the Robin was allowed into Chepstow the 707 would be superfluous.

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  8. I thought DRT has already been invented. It’s called Uber. Why can’t they just leave buses as buses and taxis as taxis? Stop trying to reinvent the wheel and stop flogging these dead horses.

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